Holy Sh*t Play have killed off HKL's website! ;-)

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 02 Jun 2008, 16:51

grim_tales wrote:Heroic Trio was another one I think.

I already mentioned that one but thanks anyway!

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 02 Jun 2008, 17:30

Ivan Drago wrote:They did release that. Theatrical cut but no nunchuks apparently

Bastards!

How forkin' hard is it to get a TC with nunchakus!?!

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 02 Jun 2008, 17:35

Does the US TC have nanchakus?
I thought originally the TC was cut in some places anyway other than the nanchakus (in the UK).

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 02 Jun 2008, 17:35

Ivan Drago wrote:
grim_tales wrote:Heroic Trio was another one I think.
I already mentioned that one but thanks anyway!

I wasnt reading properly. My bad

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 02 Jun 2008, 17:50

Heroic Trio!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so it came out in the UK!!!!!!!! yet not for retail sale! twats! I sold my old version years ago waiting for the HKL vesion, the scumbags!

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 02 Jun 2008, 18:23

EvaUnit02 wrote:EtD, WTF?! That's a Warner film.

I remember seeing it. It had a Warner logo on the back too. I'm sure they were all barebones.

I had no idea some where magazine exclusives though, how dumb!

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 02 Jun 2008, 18:24

i heard as well the disc contained the original theatrical version.is it confirmed cut?

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 02 Jun 2008, 20:42

grim_tales wrote:Does the US TC have nanchakus?
I thought originally the TC was cut in some places anyway other than the nanchakus (in the UK).

The US theatrical cut ALWAYS had the nunchuks

http://adg.invisionzone.com/index.php?s ... agon&st=20

See post 25

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 02 Jun 2008, 20:44

Except the Non-English HK/Korean DVDs, they're all the Extended Cut right?

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 02 Jun 2008, 20:55

Yeah, which besides having the Monk scene (where Bruce is dubbed by John Little), is also missing two music cues (though it gains one, oddly enough)

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 02 Jun 2008, 21:00

I don't mind the Monk scene personally.

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 02 Jun 2008, 21:08

I don't mind the scene in itself but

it slows the pace down
the dubbing for Bruce is awful, especially considering an audio recording exists of Bruce reading the lines for that scene!

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 02 Jun 2008, 22:12

Only HKL would be dumb enough to use a cut version of ETD.

This is the kind of situation I find worrying: when an original theatrical cut of a classic film gets "lost" in favour of a bogus director's/special/extended/unrated edition.

ETD as we originally saw it doesn't exist on DVD (and now the BD likewise).

You have to see the 1993 NTSC LD/VHS releases for the last time it was made available.

And I haven't even mentioned the absence of mono...

Truly a sad situation.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 02 Jun 2008, 22:26

Markgway wrote:Only HKL would be dumb enough to use a cut version of ETD.

They may not have. The magazine range was put out by a magazine publisher using HKL content. It may not have been HKL who created it.

Markgway wrote:This is the kind of situation I find worrying: when an original theatrical cut of a classic film gets "lost" in favour of a bogus director's/special/extended/unrated edition.

It is annoying. Decent quality versions of both cuts should always be made available.

Ivan Drago wrote:the dubbing for Bruce is awful, especially considering an audio recording exists of Bruce reading the lines for that scene!

I didn't know that. It should've been used instead then.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 03 Jun 2008, 16:39

bradavon wrote:They may not have. The magazine range was put out by a magazine publisher using HKL content. It may not have been HKL who created it.

Perhaps... seems odd though that the mag would use only one non-HKL title without their input. How hard would it have been to get an uncut print from Warners then assuming they were supplied direct? Either way SOMEONE fucked up!

It is annoying. Decent quality versions of both cuts should always be made available.

I even considered hunting down an NTSC VHS purely for sake of posterity! How sad is that?

I didn't know that. It should've been used instead then.

John Little reportedly has an ego. There was nothing wrong with the original audio track. The original vocal for that scene was even commited to album donkey's ago.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 03 Jun 2008, 17:45

Markgway wrote:Perhaps... seems odd though that the mag would use only one non-HKL title without their input. How hard would it have been to get an uncut print from Warners then assuming they were supplied direct? Either way SOMEONE fucked up!

To put it in context it was a cheap magazine that I doubt many people bought. It struck me as one of those magazine deals whereby the first issue is cheap, it then shoots up in price and then no one buys it. In short I seriously doubt they cared or had the knowledge of HK cinema to know.

I'm not disagreeing just saying I'm not at all surprised to hear it was cut.

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 03 Jun 2008, 18:07

Markgway wrote:
John Little reportedly has an ego. There was nothing wrong with the original audio track. The original vocal for that scene was even commited to album donkey's ago.

Yeah. I don't think the monk's voice is Roy Chiao but it does sound like it was done in 73. Don't know why, just feels that way

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 03 Jun 2008, 18:18

bradavon wrote:
Markgway wrote:Perhaps... seems odd though that the mag would use only one non-HKL title without their input. How hard would it have been to get an uncut print from Warners then assuming they were supplied direct? Either way SOMEONE fucked up!
To put it in context it was a cheap magazine that I doubt many people bought. It struck me as one of those magazine deals whereby the first issue is cheap, it then shoots up in price and then no one buys it. In short I seriously doubt they cared or had the knowledge of HK cinema to know.

I'm not disagreeing just saying I'm not at all surprised to hear it was cut.

I wonder if Warners just gave them left over discs from the 1999 UK DVD

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 03 Jun 2008, 18:19

Good point.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 03 Jun 2008, 18:36

has the uncut theatrical ever been reclassified by the bbfc?as far as i know only the SE has had the nunchakus reinstated in the uk,apart from the old uncertified vhs.could be wrong though.

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 03 Jun 2008, 18:57

Not to my knowledge

If you turn on the foreign language tracks on the WB DVD, you can hear the music cues as they appeared in the theatrical cut

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 03 Jun 2008, 23:38

Ivan Drago wrote:Yeah. I don't think the monk's voice is Roy Chiao but it does sound like it was done in 73. Don't know why, just feels that way

Roy revoiced his lines shortly before he died. Thus it's him, but not his original reading.

If you turn on the foreign language tracks on the WB DVD, you can hear the music cues as they appeared in the theatrical cut

Because the bloody dubs are in MONO(!)

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 03 Jun 2008, 23:59

Markgway wrote:
Ivan Drago wrote:Yeah. I don't think the monk's voice is Roy Chiao but it does sound like it was done in 73. Don't know why, just feels that way
Roy revoiced his lines shortly before he died. Thus it's him, but not his original reading.

If you turn on the foreign language tracks on the WB DVD, you can hear the music cues as they appeared in the theatrical cut
Because the bloody dubs are in MONO(!)

Ah cool. It didn't sound much like he did in Bloodsport!

Yeah, ironic. And pathetic. They could have put the theatrical cut on the 2nd disc of the DVD but NOOOO, they had to stick on the already avaliable Warrior's Journey!

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 05 Jun 2008, 13:22

I don't mind the monk scene TBH, AFAIK Bruce wanted it there and was disappointed when "philosphical" areas were cut (according to Linda Lee's DVD intro). He did dub it himself I'm sure (don't know why Little dubbed him).
Bey does a far better Bruce Lee

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 05 Jun 2008, 16:35

grim_tales wrote:I don't mind the monk scene TBH, AFAIK Bruce wanted it there and was disappointed when "philosphical" areas were cut (according to Linda Lee's DVD intro).

Yeah, but Bruce wasn't the writer or director. And ENTER wasn't the appropriate place for a long-winded discussion on martial arts philosphy. It's a chop-socky remake of Dr. No! I love the movie... but it's hardly deep.

He did dub it himself I'm sure (don't know why Little dubbed him).

Was shot sync-sound as per American filmmaking practice. Bruce did do the ADR where necessary however before he died thus the soundtrack was complete. Little likes the sound of his own voice.