"A police state for Muslims....."

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 15 Feb 2007, 09:41

According to this guy, Abu Bakr, who was arrested.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6340935.stm

As far as I can see, he was arrested, questioned and then released without being charged.
What's the problem?

One statistic says 37 of 16-24 year old British Muslims in the UK would rather live under Sharia (sp?) law not UK law. In that case, they are hypocrites IMO.

It sounds as if Bakr is saying that he wants to the law changed to suit him and some Muslims.

seven days of virtual torture

this is going to effect me for the rest of my life

In this climate, unfortunately, some Muslims will be the subject of police investigations if they're the ones whio make threats of terror, set up extreme schools teaching that Jews and Christians are pigs and monkeys

So they get angry, are the subject of investigation.. its a viscious circle, and as has been pointed out, we only hear about the radical extremists on TV, who just spout rubbish.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 15 Feb 2007, 12:39

grim_tales wrote:One statistic says 37 of 16-24 year old British Muslims in the UK would rather live under Sharia (sp?) law not UK law.

37% or 37 guys? In any case, add one Muslim (me) in Europe to that number. There is more to the Sharia than the penalties for crimes, but you wouldn't know that as you aren't getting any information about the Sharia apart from the usual anti-Islamic propaganda sources.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 15 Feb 2007, 17:31

Sharia law should stay where it belongs: in backward Middle Eastern countries.

If Britain was a Police State for Muslims that prick wouldn't have been allowed to spout off to the media would he?

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 15 Feb 2007, 17:34

Markgway wrote:Sharia law should stay where it belongs: in backward Middle Eastern countries.

Or rather... reinstated.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 15 Feb 2007, 18:02

Doh! I meant 37%, sorry LD

As for the statistic, IMO if they'd rather live under Sharia law then why do they come here?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 15 Feb 2007, 18:11

thelostdragon wrote:
Markgway wrote:Sharia law should stay where it belongs: in backward Middle Eastern countries.
Or rather... reinstated.

There should be a country that is run under Sharia Law for those that want it. If that's how they want to live by all means... but do not bring it to my doorstep or try to turn Britain into Little Islam. You live in the UK you live by its secular rules. That's the way it has to be. I wouldn't move to a Muslim-based country and start whining about how tough it is to be a Christian or that everyone should live by the Bible. I deplore racism and know that peaceful Muslims sometimes get a tough time... but this Islamaphobia nonsense has gotten out of control.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 15 Feb 2007, 19:15

All Religion is Evil, as I have always said.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 15 Feb 2007, 19:44

Religion is not evil per se, you can find peace, hope and love in it - but consider this "For good people to do evil things, it takes religion" (Richard Dawkins).

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 16 Feb 2007, 02:03

I can only go by on what I see and there certainly seems to be a lot of pissed off Muslims right now, and that's excluding the extremist ones.

Even to the point that someone cannot be guiltily just because he's Muslim. This is effectively what I kept hearing on TV during recent raids in Manchester. It wasn't "we'll let the police do their investigation first" but no he cannot be a criminal he's Muslim, it's not possible, all non-Muslims are out to get me.

So paranoid, particularly in the younger generation.

I'm not remotely saying it isn't partially justified just that the stance to constantly fight instead of compromising and working together is all wrong, well it is IMO anyway.

I'm specifically talking about British Muslims btw. Who're as British as I am, again IMO.

thelostdragon wrote:There is more to the Sharia than the penalties for crimes, but you wouldn't know that as you aren't getting any information about the Sharia apart from the usual anti-Islamic propaganda sources.

But the propaganda is right about the penalties for crimes is it not?

grim_tales wrote:As for the statistic, IMO if they'd rather live under Sharia law then why do they come here?

Because sharia law would prevent them from saying the things they like to say. Talk about having your cake and eating it.

thelostdragon wrote:Or rather... reinstated.

Reinstate? Has sharia law ever been in power in the UK?

Markgway wrote:but do not bring it to my doorstep or try to turn Britain into Little Islam. You live in the UK you live by its secular rules. That's the way it has to be. I wouldn't move to a Muslim-based country and start whining about how tough it is to be a Christian or that everyone should live by the Bible. I deplore racism and know that peaceful Muslims sometimes get a tough time... but this Islamaphobia nonsense has gotten out of control.

Well said. I couldn't agree more.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 16 Feb 2007, 02:11

Now you've done it Grim we'll only end up having yet another Muslim debate

. I'm out of here.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 16 Feb 2007, 15:29

bradavon wrote:
thelostdragon wrote:Or rather... reinstated.
Reinstate? Has sharia law ever been in power in the UK?

Brad, please read properly. I was replying to Mark and hence talking about the Middle East.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 16 Feb 2007, 20:48

Brad wrote:Because sharia law would prevent them from saying the things they like to say. Talk about having your cake and eating it.

Exactly!
I also agree with Mark. Too much time is given to these extremist, dangerous nutters and hardly any to normal, decent people to oppose it.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 16 Feb 2007, 21:18

bradavon wrote:Because sharia law would prevent them from saying the things they like to say.

Source?

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 17 Feb 2007, 00:03

Does sharia law allow freedom of speech to the extent the Western world does? If it does I'm sorry for making such a comment, if it doesn't that's my source.

I get the impressed people who want sharia law come here (and I mean the western democracies now) allows them the freedom to spread their hatred whereas an opposing opinion in a country which practises sharia law would not.

Ignorant hat on: BTW are there any countries which do?

Brad, please read properly. I was replying to Mark and hence talking about the Middle East.

Sorry my bad.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 17 Feb 2007, 02:10

bradavon wrote:Ignorant hat on: BTW are there any countries which do?

There is no country these days which practices the sharia law to the fullest. Some of its ideas are made use of in Saudi-Arabia etc., but that's not practicing the Sharia law when many of the rights it gives are neglected.

The last country to practice the Sharia law properly was Turkey until 1924.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 17 Feb 2007, 17:27

What are those rights? We only ever hear about it from a negative point of view.

Interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia#Sha ... man_rights

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 18 Feb 2007, 03:03

Check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khilafa#Political_system

Elections and voting has been an Islamic system way before democracy came along.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 18 Feb 2007, 16:07

Good to hear, but Sharia law still says it's okay to stone someone for adultery does it not? That's abhorrent in so many ways.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 18 Feb 2007, 16:56

thelostdragon wrote:Elections and voting has been an Islamic system way before democracy came along.

Just don't tell the Greeks that. They'll go nuts.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 18 Feb 2007, 17:48

bradavon wrote:Good to hear, but Sharia law still says it's okay to stone someone for adultery does it not? That's abhorrent in so many ways.

Huh? Weren't we talking about freedom of speech?

Are we going to do cock measuring here?

"In Sharia law you get stoned for adultery..."
"In a democracy there is the death penalty..."
"In Sharia law you get your hand chopped off for stealing..."
"In a democracy you get kidnapped and sent to remote prisons without a trial..."
"Yes, but in Sharia law..."
"Yes, but in the democratic West..."

Bla...bla...bla...

Please bring forward some fresh arguments when talking about the Sharia law. The old ones have already bored me to death in elementary school.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 18 Feb 2007, 18:35

Huh? Weren't we talking about freedom of speech?

Yes but you never answered my question. We were also talking about Sharia law too.

"In a democracy there is the death penalty..."

Not in the democracy I live in. Agreed that's some what dubious in America however, last time I checked I'm not American.

"In a democracy you get kidnapped and sent to remote prisons without a trial..."

Get over yourself on your hatred for America. Move on.

Please bring forward some fresh arguments when talking about the Sharia law.

Sharia law came into the discussion so they're valid points.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 18 Feb 2007, 19:10

Sharia law is a hilarious joke, still.

People say I am hard on criminals, yet Sharia law is worse than me. Yet they still let off so many things, why because they can.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 18 Feb 2007, 20:18

I have to agree with Brad here, what LD has said about the death penalty applies to America (or rather, some states), this is not the fault of the political system of democracy.
Though I agree being kidnapped/imprisoned without trial is very wrong but is it the norm amongst it's own citizens/suspects in the middle East?
There is no death penalty in the UK and many other democratic countries.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 18 Feb 2007, 22:10

grim_tales wrote:I have to agree with Brad here, what LD has said about the death penalty applies to America (or rather, some states), this is not the fault of the political system of democracy.

Well summed up.

Shen · Post by **Shen** » 18 Feb 2007, 22:27

why must LD defend his faith to you guys?

and why do you ask questions then seemingly not want to hear the answers.

and why is mentioning the atrocities that happen at gitmo hating america? its not like its been made up, or that is like an even thing, 90% of inmates are arab, yeah im sure thats not becuaes of discrimination, im sure 4yrs without trial in a hell hole is fair, and im sure that a democratic goverment cant change that....

not to start an argument at all but a few burning questions here...

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