Holy Sh*t Play have killed off HKL's website! ;-)

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 10 Dec 2006, 23:21

BaronKermit wrote:...and i wouldnt call the final fight scene "a cool showdown".........I'd call it one of the best fight scenes ever put on film!

It is definitely one hell of an awesome fight. Especially, since it is comprehensible why the guy is fighting. And when he fights, he fights in a way that suits the character and his reasons. He is a Bruce Lee-fanboy who does exactly what his idol did in "Fist of Fury" (what we see in the beginning of the film when he is at the theatre watching the film). So what does he do? He tries to immitate Bruce Lee, which of course fails and a realistic movie fight (I like to call it that way), developes.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 11 Dec 2006, 14:06

Are Magnificent Warriors, Tai Chi Boxer & Eastern Condors any good?. Eastern Condors looks particulary good.

I've been reading reviews to get an idea but want to ask you guys too. Eastern Condors and Magnificent Warriors I'd get the R1 Fox though.

Phew last message via my mobile

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 11 Dec 2006, 14:14

bradavon wrote:Are Magnificent Warriors, Tai Chi Boxer & Eastern Condors any good?. Eastern Condors looks particulary good.

ZA WARUDO!!! Sammo Hung VIETNAM ACTION.

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 11 Dec 2006, 14:40

bradavon wrote:Are Magnificent Warriors, Tai Chi Boxer & Eastern Condors any good?. Eastern Condors looks particulary good.

I've been reading reviews to get an idea but want to ask you guys too. Eastern Condors and Magnificent Warriors I'd get the R1 Fox though.

Phew last message via my mobile

Magnificent Warriors - rather lightweight but good fun, with excellent stuntwork, appealing characters and restrained - relativly! - comedy. Hwang Jang-lee is criminally underused though

Tai Chi Boxer - nothing special, but kinda sweet. For a low price, worth a look

Eastern Condors - I've only seen this once so I don't remember much but it's got some great fights

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 11 Dec 2006, 15:03

Brad, don't get the R1 Eastern Condors. Naturally no mono, but we've got bigger problems here. The 5.1 track is notably out of sync. I owned that disc long before I knew anything about FS or even the meaning of mono. I thought I got a faulty copy or something. A dvd with out of sync audio... That was something totally new to me back then

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 11 Dec 2006, 15:18

Agreed.
I've got both the FOX and the HKL, and I'm still watching the HKL (even though it's cut).

DangerousLeeHandsome · Post by **DangerousLeeHandsome** » 11 Dec 2006, 16:01

bradavon wrote:Are Magnificent Warriors, Tai Chi Boxer & Eastern Condors any good?. Eastern Condors looks particulary good.

I've been reading reviews to get an idea but want to ask you guys too. Eastern Condors and Magnificent Warriors I'd get the R1 Fox though.

I have the R3 Korean from Spectrum. In sync audio, a Sammo Hung interview (taken from the HKL disc) but no mono and features same dubtitles carried over from the Fox version.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 11 Dec 2006, 16:10

Eastern Condors wrell its still one of the best asian films ever made, action to die for and hell its a great little war film too, not perfect, but bloody top entertainment with some stunning fights. Cut HKL version it may be, but hell I dont want to see a second of animal torture anyway

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 11 Dec 2006, 20:19

Ivan Drago wrote:Magnificent Warriors - rather lightweight but good fun, with excellent stuntwork, appealing characters and restrained - relativly! - comedy. Hwang Jang-lee is criminally underused though

How is Miss Yeoh? My biggest draw to this title, action packed or a bit of fluff?

Ivan Drago wrote:Tai Chi Boxer - nothing special, but kinda sweet. For a low price, worth a look

The HKL trailer makes it look like a fight fest OUATIC clone, I take it it's nothing like this at all?

Ivan Drago wrote:Eastern Condors - I've only seen this once so I don't remember much but it's got some great fights

I reckon I'll pick this one up for sure.

Thanks btw.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 11 Dec 2006, 20:23

HungFist wrote:Brad, don't get the R1 Eastern Condors. Naturally no mono, but we've got bigger problems here. The 5.1 track is notably out of sync.

Thanks Hung. How out of sync is it? Are we talking a split-second, seconds or minutes? I ask as I've yet to notice any out-of-sync issues on all the HK DVDs you guys say are out of sync.

I just don't seem to notice Sync issues unless it's extreme. For example:

* DangerousLee - Can't spot any Sync issues and it's likely the Spectrum is a Fox port.
* These reviews mention Sync issues:

http://www.dvdmaniacs.net/Reviews/E-H/e ... ndors.html
http://filmfreakcentral.net/dvdreviews/ ... ondors.htm (although it's vague what "aural isolation" is supposed to mean)

But these mention no issues at all:

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=9068 (these guys usually know what they're talking about, not that I'm saying you guys don't)
http://www.upcomingdiscs.com/dvd_review ... erncondors
http://www.dighkmovies.com/v3/194/194.html

This one even says the Audio is in Sync (not that I rate Love and Bullets reviews period):

http://www.loveandbullets.com/foxeasterncondors.htm

So really how bad is it?

Oh and has anyone managed to track down a capture comparison? Fortune Star transfers can be miles better than HKL ones but then they can also be worse.

If it's miles better like say their ITLOD4 DVD I may still get it, based on what you say above.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 11 Dec 2006, 21:07

Well, I sold the disc a long time ago but lets just say I felt like I was cheating someone by selling that disc.

Maybe Tom could check how much it's out of sync.

It doesn't happen too often as far as I remember, but it certainly does happen.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 11 Dec 2006, 21:20

Fair enough, cheers.

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 11 Dec 2006, 22:30

Actually... the out-of-sync track on EC is one of the main reasons why I went back to the HKL.

I can forgive minor sync problems (50-100ms delay is OK), but when the sound is late or early by more than a tenth of a second, it just drives me nuts.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 11 Dec 2006, 22:57

How often does it happen? So it's 1/10th of a second then, cheers. I'm not sure how to quantify that but cheers anyway.

Any chance you could post a quick capture of the two DVDs? Is the Fox much better (or at all) looking?

Cheers

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 11 Dec 2006, 23:29

I'll do a comparison.
(and try to check the audio sync)

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 11 Dec 2006, 23:40

Merci beaucoup

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 12 Dec 2006, 00:12

God help us, he's speaking french.

Hey, seriously, the 5.1 track on the Fox is a joke.
At some points the sound is about half a second off.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 12 Dec 2006, 00:38

LOL Merci is like Ciao, everyone speaks it

Shit the HKL looks a mess in comparison. I wonder why those reviewers above didn't notice it. Is it out of sync right through or just for a patch?

Question: Are any of the other Fox FS DVDs out of sync? HK 1941, Royal Warriors and ITLOD4 sounded fine to me (for example).

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 12 Dec 2006, 01:03

Now back to my other two

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* Tai Chi Boxer - The HKL trailer makes it look like a fight fest OUATIC clone, I take it it's nothing like this at all?

* Magnificent Warriors - How is Ms. Yeoh? My biggest draw to this title, action packed or a bit of fluff?

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 12 Dec 2006, 01:15

Tai-Chi Boxer is a nice little comedy with an amazing action climax.
The interaction between Wu Jing and Christy Chung is what makes it work.

I'd say it's on par with Once Upon A Time in China 4 (in terms of comedy and pacing).

It's NOT a kung-fu fight fest. Not by a long shot.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 12 Dec 2006, 01:26

Sadly I've only seen OUATIC1-3 as no fucking 4 & 5 STILL exist (sans that bootleg Part 4 DVD, oh and the French DVDs). I don't reckon these 2 will ever get released, it's all very strange.

Thanks btw. I don't think it's my cup of tea. Action climaxes still mean like Yes Madam (I presume) you need to endure the rest of the film.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 12 Dec 2006, 01:43

bradavon wrote:* Magnificent Warriors - How is Ms. Yeoh? My biggest draw to this title, action packed or a bit of fluff?

Do you want to see Michelle play Indianette Jones? 8)

RickyTheDragonSteamboat · Post by **RickyTheDragonSteamboat** » 12 Dec 2006, 06:25

bradavon wrote:Sadly I've only seen OUATIC1-3 as no fucking 4 & 5 STILL exist (sans that bootleg Part 4 DVD, oh and the French DVDs). I don't reckon these 2 will ever get released, it's all very strange.

Like you, I've never seen OUTIC 4 or 5 but I heard they were pretty good. Also, a friend told me that Warner Bros. claimed ownership of these two titles. Any truth to this? If so, they should at least put them out on DVD or something.

Risk · Post by **Risk** » 12 Dec 2006, 07:26

bradavon wrote:Are Magnificent Warriors, Tai Chi Boxer & Eastern Condors any good?. Eastern Condors looks particulary good.

It is a great film! Definetely worth getting, I don't know which is the best disc to go for, but I do reccomend picking it up.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 12 Dec 2006, 17:34

Tai-Chi Boxer is cracking, very nice action and staring role too, shame he never became the big star he should have been (until rcently anyway).