Holy Sh*t Play have killed off HKL's website! ;-)

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 03 Dec 2006, 15:03

bradavon wrote:
thelostdragon wrote:I'm not going to cast a Dutchman and a French guy to play the German lead characters of my film, no matter how good they are at their profession as actors, only because people like you, Brad, don't care about whether they sound like Germans or not.
Have you never watched an American film where the lead isn't a native America speaker and it not bothered you or you even noticed it?

Errr... yes, I have. But it is something completely different if say Al Pacino plays the Tony Montana character. I wouldn't cast him to play Jack Bauer for instance. Clearly, Kiefer Sutherland is the better option. Why? Because he looks and sounds like your uncle Tom American.

Man, how hard is this? Not every American film's lead character is a native American. If the character is supposed to be a native American you almost always have an actor for him who either is a native or who can speak the language without accent. It pisses me off when in American that are supposed to take place in another part of the world, the characters speak English (Memoirs of a Geisha for example). That's why I like Mel Gibson's way of making his films. "Apocalypto", like "Passion of the Christ" make sure to be played in the setting's original language.

Wouldn't you be pissed if the Indians in "Dances with Wolves" were speaking English all of a sudden?

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 03 Dec 2006, 16:39

Uncle Tom?

"Native American" would be an American Indian (ie the original inhabitants of America).

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 03 Dec 2006, 16:45

Kiefer Sutherland doesn't look like Uncle Tom, LD.

Uncle Tom is a black man (and a cartoon character).

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 03 Dec 2006, 16:51

Hoops... I meant Uncle Sam.

Shingster · Post by **Shingster** » 03 Dec 2006, 16:56

Markgway wrote:Notice the smiley, Shingster.

I got paranoid that people would think I was criticising Yeoh and CYF's performances, that wasn't my intention.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 03 Dec 2006, 17:23

grim_tales wrote:Lazenby was Australian, not American.

I know, that's why I said:

"the idea of Bond being an American makes my blood boil, even though oddly Lazenby pulled it off fine, but then there is a big difference between an American and Australian in this sense".

See?

Fair enough though reading it again I didn't put it very well.

thelostdragon wrote:Errr... yes, I have. But it is something completely different if say Al Pacino plays the Tony Montana character. I wouldn't cast him to play Jack Bauer for instance. Clearly, Kiefer Sutherland is the better option. Why? Because he looks and sounds like your uncle Tom American.

What? How is it remotely different?

I bet to Cubans Al Pacino doesn't sound remotely Cuban but you don't care.

thelostdragon wrote:Man, how hard is this? Not every American film's lead character is a native American. If the character is supposed to be a native American you almost always have an actor for him who either is a native or who can speak the language without accent.

Firstly Native American means Sioux or the like, secondly lets get the right terminology. Accent is how your voice sounds not how you pronounce a language.

My point there are no doubt lots of accents in Mainland China all speaking Mandarin.

thelostdragon wrote:It pisses me off when in American that are supposed to take place in another part of the world, the characters speak English (Memoirs of a Geisha for example).

You're completley contradicting yourself now. You only just said you'd prefer a German dub (so not the original language) to broken Mandarin.

Personally while I'd have preferred to see Memoirs of a Geisha in Japanese. I don't give a hoot the leads were Chinese, they're all great actresses and that's what matters. Vivien Leigh was in English but played an American in GWTW.

thelostdragon wrote:That's why I like Mel Gibson's way of making his films. "Apocalypto", like "Passion of the Christ" make sure to be played in the setting's original language.

You're changing your argument know. I thought we were talking about broken language vs. dubbing.

thelostdragon wrote:Wouldn't you be pissed if the Indians in "Dances with Wolves" were speaking English all of a sudden?

Of course but what on earth does that have to do with your original point?

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 03 Dec 2006, 17:27

Brad, I can't see why you seem to have a personal problem with the fact that I notice Chow Yun-fat and Michelle Yeoh speaking Mandarin with an accent in CTHD and with the fact that it bugs me.

It just seems to me that you are arguing around, just for the sake of arguing. I tried to explain why, you don't accept it, fine. LOL, why would I lie about something as trivial as that?

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 03 Dec 2006, 17:32

thelostdragon wrote:Brad, I can't see why you seem to have a personal problem with the fact that I notice Chow Yun-fat and Michelle Yeoh speaking Mandarin with an accent in CTHD and with the fact that it bugs me.

I don't

I just disagree with you that's all.

thelostdragon wrote:It just seems to me that you are arguing around, just for the sake of arguing.

Nope, or not anymore than you

I tried to explain why, you don't accept it, fine. LOL, why would I lie about something as trivial as that?

I never thought you were "lying" for a second.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 03 Dec 2006, 18:06

bradavon wrote:I just disagree with you that's all.

Sounded a bit more than that, though when you called my personal opinion "rubbsih", but hey, back on topic I guess.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 03 Dec 2006, 18:13

Sorry if you took it stronger than I meant it. I just meant IMO they were perfect for the roles.

Your main purpose for thinking they were the wrong people for the roles was because their Mandarin wasn't perfect, whereas to me that's only one aspect of taking on such a role. Yes you did say they also acted and performed the martial arts well but that seemed secondary to your main point.

Rubbish isn't a very strong word. If I meant it to be stronger but still fairly polite I'd have used idiot for example.

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 06 Dec 2006, 14:23

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?c ... true#19802

Bey is back! I hope these improve on the existing transfers from Fortune Star, both of which have problems

bleeper · Post by **bleeper** » 06 Dec 2006, 14:26

I know very little of these two films. Are they good?

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 06 Dec 2006, 14:41

I love "Hand of Death". Jackie has an extended side role in the film, but more importantly, he did choreograph the action scenes for the film.

As for "Fearless Hyena", it is his very first directing job and I think it is a really great film. Decent revenge storyline and really great fights scenes. Emotional kung fu.

I don't know if Bey is back at HKL though. That's probably one he recorded before he left HKL.

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 06 Dec 2006, 15:13

Hand Of Death is a personal fave of mine, with a good cast and kick ass theme music. The fight choreography is a bit slow and stylized compared to Sammo's usual work at the time

Fearless Hyena has some good moments but suffers from unfunny comedy and a dull first half. The English dubbing for it was bloody awful too!

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 06 Dec 2006, 15:15

Hand of Death is a Mandarin film right?

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 06 Dec 2006, 15:30

Yep, Hand Of Death is a Mandarin film

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 06 Dec 2006, 15:41

I agree with LD, Bey probably recorded that commentary before he left HKL.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 06 Dec 2006, 18:15

Fearless Hyena is my least favourite Jackie film apart from Fantasy Mission Force.

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 06 Dec 2006, 18:37

what about Fearless Hyena 2? Or Police Woman? I must confess that Master With Cracked Fingers is a guilty pleasure

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 06 Dec 2006, 19:07

To be Jackies worst film its gotta be really bad as he made so many pieces of crap. Still does mind you

bleeper · Post by **bleeper** » 06 Dec 2006, 20:43

Half a loaf of Kung Fu was utter shite.

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 06 Dec 2006, 20:46

Jackie Chan is overrated.

Sammo and Yuen Biao are underrated.

Simple

bleeper · Post by **bleeper** » 06 Dec 2006, 20:48

Jackie is not overrated, Sammo however is underrated. just watch martial Law and you'll realise that. Yuen Biao however, meh.

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 06 Dec 2006, 20:51

I quite enjoyed Half A Loaf. It's loses its way towards the end but can be funny

Jackie, Sammo and Yuen Biao are all great. Though their current output doesn't seem very good

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 06 Dec 2006, 21:47

It was barely in print but the WOTD: PE is OOP. I wonder if this means a further DVD, this time sourced from the FS Master??? -

Way of the Dragon Platinum Edition - 08/11/06

Please note that owing to a communication error, Way of the Dragon is only available as a single disc purchase. Details of the Platinum Edition 2 disk version and extras content detailed on the back cover of the October brochure are incorrect and no longer available for production.

If you still wish to order the single disc of Way of the Dragon, you can do so on the website. If you wish to place a phone/mail order please use catalogue number MDV511.

We apologise for any inconvenience caused.

http://www.hongkonglegends.co.uk/index. ... gory_id=20