Terminator 2: Ultimate (R1) vs Extreme SD (R1)

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 02 Aug 2006, 19:01

I don't have exact times, but the images shouldn't be too hard to find. They appear in order, with the last the chase in the arcade. You can convert your Bitmaps into jpegs using Paint or a similar image program. Post the resultant caps as links and I'll edit them in to my original post. Thx.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 02 Aug 2006, 19:52

That was easier then I expected to upload them, still took a while as lost conection a lot

Pretty hard to get the exact frames for the Sarah pic

Still I used Photoshop to resize them and tried not to compress them much, still they look a bit different thats for sure, just hard to get an exact comparison if we both use different programmes to compress etc..

still here they are

all correct now

http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/5369/pdvd012qn8.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9956/pdvd003no1.jpg

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/7393/pdvd004lc4.jpg

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/2624/pdvd008lg3.jpg

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/583/pdvd009ox9.jpg

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 02 Aug 2006, 19:53

All correct above I think

the 1st cap is vastly different in terms off colour and the transparicy of that blast of plasma fire!

Saving them and flicking thru like a flickbook they are very different and even framed slightly differently some pics

not sure which is best, but the EE edition eems brighter, but seems to loose a little detail to my eyes as some areas seem to bright really like the Terminators body in pic 1

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 02 Aug 2006, 20:25

Overall the EE ones look way worse.

No offence Romero but I'm not convinced those are accurate, unless everyone has been lying and the EE is actually worse.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 02 Aug 2006, 23:32

Agree, think the UE is much better. Its much sharper.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 03 Aug 2006, 01:02

Romero, did you use Tom's recommended settings? If not redo them and I'll redo the R1 UE screens cuz Mark refuses to install PowerDVD. We might get a more accurate comparison then.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 03 Aug 2006, 01:20

There's nothing wrong with my caps. Fuck Power DVD. If any caps are wrong it must be Romero's. Save from Bitmap to Jpeg using a paint package. That's it. No need to mess about with settings (unless you already have). There should be no noticeable difference between programs if caps are taken right. Still if you doubt me take your own and see. If I'm wrong I'll admit it.

MLAM · Post by **MLAM** » 03 Aug 2006, 03:53

I have the Extreme Edition of T2 (R1) if anyone wants me to do caps, unless my work is for James Bond only

My bro might have the old UE Too actually but nothing wrong with the caps here really.

How much would you guys pay for a copy of the UE? Or EE for that matter?

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 03 Aug 2006, 05:12

MLAM wrote:How much would you guys pay for a copy of the UE? Or EE for that matter?

Not as much as you paid for that James Bond UE attache case.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 03 Aug 2006, 13:44

MLAM wrote:How much would you guys pay for a copy of the UE? Or EE for that matter?

Nothing, because unless Romero's caps ARE indeed fucked-up, the UE, which I already have, looks better.

MLAM · Post by **MLAM** » 03 Aug 2006, 14:40

Markgway wrote:Nothing, because unless Romero's caps ARE indeed fucked-up, the UE, which I already have, looks better.

You guys would pay nothing for the UE or EE edition of T2? not even a few quid?!

I get the feeling Romero has left the colour enhancing mode on PDVD as that is enabled by default and it really does fuck up the colour/contrast on a DVD.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 03 Aug 2006, 16:33

I'd buy the EE if it were cheap, no real motivation otherwise since I'm happy with my R1 UE.

Anyway, please do post the EE screencaps MLAM. Just to how different they are to Romero's if nothing else. Thanks.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 03 Aug 2006, 17:20

The screen caps look nothing at all like they do on MY TV screen (thats why I rarely bother even going of screen caps online as they rarely if ever represnt the real dvd), they look like a totally different transfer, on my TV its georgous.

I did ask what settings etc.. I needed to do before hand to avoid this

all I did was press the screenshot button and resize and convert to Jpeg (with virtually no compression as set to highest Photoshop conversion rate) basically they look far to over colourful and way to bright compared to whats on my TV screen, you loose all the detail in brighness in them caps.

If they look nothing like my TV screen and to me thet represent bugger all

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 03 Aug 2006, 18:44

MLAM wrote:I have the Extreme Edition of T2 (R1) if anyone wants me to do caps, unless my work is for James Bond only

Yes please.

Mark's look accurate to me.

romerojpg wrote:The screen caps look nothing at all like they do on MY TV screen (thats why I rarely bother even going of screen caps online as they rarely if ever represnt the real dvd), they look like a totally different transfer, on my TV its georgous.

That says it all really.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 03 Aug 2006, 18:51

Well I did ask for info on how to do exactly the same caps as Big M

but you also have to take into account everyones screen will be set up differently also, my TV is set up the perfect way I want it and my Monitor is set up so its perfect for Photo editing.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 03 Aug 2006, 23:51

It's been mentioned a few times before what settings people should use.

I don't bother with PowerDVD either as Media Player Classic does a fine job capturing.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 04 Aug 2006, 00:39

Really, unless you've already buggered about with your settings you shouldn't need to change anything to get proper screen caps.

Just clicking the capture tool, resizing in a paint package (with no other alterations) and resaving as jpegs should do the trick. There must be something amiss with your program(s), Romero?

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 04 Aug 2006, 17:21

bradavon wrote:It's been mentioned a few times before what settings people should use.

I don't bother with PowerDVD either as Media Player Classic does a fine job capturing.

Well? that doesnt help

I have never read one word about it as I never care too much, as basically a screen shot does NOT look like what will end up on my TV.
Give it a try one time, put a picture cap from a site on your TV (by pausing the dvd) and on your PC at the same from a screen cap, you will find they never look even slightly the same. Hence most comparisons mean bugger all most the time. Its all down to your TV settings, not some silly PC screen (unless you ONLY watch dvds on your PC that is

Anyway I havent ever messed about at all with Powerdvd

its the latest version and never done a thing with it at all exept instal it, everything is set to factory settings apart from one single thing that stops the caps being squashed.

The cap if you were to lower the contrast, brightness and colour on your screen will look great, so I dont see a problem anyway. What you see isnt what you are going to get on your TV thats for sure.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 04 Aug 2006, 19:19

Markgway wrote:Really, unless you've already buggered about with your settings you shouldn't need to change anything to get proper screen caps.

It's worth checking as programs like to change settings themselves.

Markgway wrote: Just clicking the capture tool

I agree but many are purists. What capture tool are you using?

I'm not even sure how Romeoro managed to just press the print screen key (from which program?) as usually this won't work because of different refresh rates.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 04 Aug 2006, 19:19

For a comparison between all the T2 versions and 3 pages this thread seriously sucks!

Come on MLAM

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 04 Aug 2006, 19:41

bradavon wrote:
I'm not even sure how Romeoro managed to just press the print screen key (from which program?) as usually this won't work because of different refresh rates.

You lost me now, I didnt use print screen, never said I did. I used the ONLY capture tool there is on Powerdvd, as I said.

Nothing wrong with my caps anyway, ajust your PC screen until they look good

as you would do that on your TV, unless your stupid that is and watch all dvds on the exact same settings.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 04 Aug 2006, 20:04

romerojpg wrote:unless your stupid that is and watch all dvds on the exact same settings.

You change your TV settings for every film you watch? Seriously dude only a few people do that. I'm willing to bet your're in the minority.

It's really not necessary. I set it up when I first got it how I like it and like my monitor it's now set.

There's NO way it's my monitor making those images look "that" shit and VideoCD quality too. It's the caps I'm afraid dude (unless it really looks that way). Agreed the monitor can have an affect but it's not that extreme.

We'll know soon enough when MLAM uploads his version. I'm guessing they'll look very different.

romerojpg wrote:PC wise I am getting one and could get one right now, its just not a great time to get one at the moment as too much change in the PC industry for my taste, maybe another year and it will all be settled

. You clearly don't follow the IT world do you.

Agreed there are bad times to upgrade but hardware never stops upgrading. You may as well buy now as no way will it settle down next year. That said it's probably wise to wait with Vista on the horizon which will mean new hardware needed.

It used to be crazy 5-10 years ago, within months what you've bought will be out of date.

romerojpg wrote:all I did was press the screenshot button

A fair assumption I think. Fair enough.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 04 Aug 2006, 20:32

Maybe Romero means he changes his settings for PAL/NTSC DVDs? Most people do that (I do), anyway PAL/NTSC have different colour levels.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 04 Aug 2006, 20:55

I reckon he means all/most DVDs.

You're telling me you change the contrast, brightness etc . . . whenever you watch PAL or NTSC DVDs? Screw that.

grim_tales wrote:anyway PAL/NTSC have different colour levels.

They do?

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 04 Aug 2006, 21:16

Thats what I remember hearing once way back on the very old incartion of Bullets. I think Gil or Gojensen said that.

I don't change very much - all I do is increase the brightness by 5 points and decrease the colour by 5 for watching NTSC but not I don't change things for EVERY single DVD, if you see what I mean, can't be bothered with that.