Breaking News! Cine-Asia is reviving Hong Kong Legends

[Killer Meteor]

I don't mind an old beat up print, I was perfectly happy with Soulblade's SNUFF BOTTLE CONNECTION.

So was I until I found out it was a german print missing about 5 mins of footage.

True, but that's a case of being stuck with shoddy elements. I can take 5mins of missing footage in those circumstances. Now, 20min cut for the German print of HITMAN IN THE HAND OF BUDDHA? Ach, nine!!!!

[thelostdragon]

HKL synched Mandarin audio with a complete German print. The HK print had some alternate scenes so the audio wouldn't fit..

Are you sure it was a German print? How do you know? Didn't know LOAF was ever released in Germany. Was it a cinema print?

[luckystars]

HKL synched Mandarin audio with a complete German print. The HK print had some alternate scenes so the audio wouldn't fit..

Are you sure it was a German print? How do you know? Didn't know LOAF was ever released in Germany. Was it a cinema print?

It's just common knowledge, maybe from the ADG forum? Anyway it's got the superimposed title card over the original.

[Killer Meteor]

Spannick told me there was no german cinema release of LEGEND, when I suggested the german companies look into restoring it. Maybe I'm thinking of another film though, or he was!

[luckystars]

Spannick told me there was no german cinema release of LEGEND, when I suggested the german companies look into restoring it. Maybe I'm thinking of another film though, or he was!

Or I am lol!

[bradavon]

Brad are you saying Miracles, Iron Monkey, FC had remixes? If they did I didnt notice TBH.

You reckon they were originally released with 5.1 soundtracks? . I never said they had new foley added but of course they're remixes (IM anyway, I've never owned the other two). Damn good remixes mind you.

HKL went to the trouble of remastering LEGEND OF A FIGHTER but then went and ruined what should have been a great release with the cropping. That said, I'm grateful they released it in some form as its a cracking rare movie, Grommit!

They did basically apologised later for cropping those three (it was three right? That they cropped down to 1.78:1) but given the very limited market value of that film, they were never going to re-release it.

There are only bad remixes.

Incorrect.

Super-anal fans are never satisfied.

Correct.

[gasteropod]

They did basically apologised later for cropping those three (it was three right? That they cropped down to 1.78:1)

I recall it being Drunken Master, Snake in the Eagle's Shadow, and Legend of a Fighter.

[Markgway]

I've never in my life heard a remix of a Hong Kong film that's better than the original mono.

Fair play to anyone who feels differently but I'm not 'incorrect' or 'wrong'.

[Shingster]

Good remix = Those where the added elements are on a seperate channel and thus can be turned off to get the original mono/stereo.
Bad Remix = Everything else.

Depends on the type of film though and what type of work is done, for instance Anime holds strong potential for people wanting to undertake a remix. The remix of Akira or the 5.1 remixes of Cowboy Bebop are good examples of that.

[luckystars]

Bad remix =

New Foley that changes the character of the soundscape or distinctive sounds from the original film.
Substitute score/changed cues.
Missing elements (all sounds/dialogue and music cues)
Obvious added elements (usually excessive environmental sounds)
Unbalanced levels and use of booming sub.

This can be applied to any genre, not just HK films, or films that were originally mono.

Mono or discrete remixes can be ruined by distortion, muffled sound, poor sync, reverb/echo/timing.

Mono doesn't automatically mean a better viewing experience, but can if handled well.

I just ask for a fair treatment of the films A/V (and subs). Why would I pass up on a well handled Blu-Ray of a film, if theres a letterboxed DVD with mono?
That's just obsessive...

[bradavon]

I've never in my life heard a remix of a Hong Kong film that's better than the original mono.

What about the mono tracks that are in an awful state? How do they compare to stereo remixes?

[Markgway]

I've never in my life heard a remix of a Hong Kong film that's better than the original mono.

What about the mono tracks that are in an awful state? How do they compare to stereo remixes?

If the mono is distorted or fucked up in some way then of course that's a problem and a remix MIGHT be less painful. But let's assume both are good quality.

As long as the mono is included they can offer as many remixes as they like. I'm for more choice not less. What I can't abide is fans who say it doesn't matter.

[Killer Meteor]

Although Cine Asia's product is a bit limited - picked up YOUNG BRUCE LEE, then promptly returned it when I found out it had been cut by 10 minutes! - it was a delight to see HMV have a shelf full of martial arts titles, just like in the good old days!

Have now bought Cine Asia's SHINJUKU INCIDENT. Am looking forward to watching it.

[thelostdragon]

picked up YOUNG BRUCE LEE, then promptly returned it when I found out it had been cut by 10 minutes!

Any idea what is exactly missing from the international cut? Anything significant?

[drees5761]

I am sure its not cut...you sure your not confusing it with PAL speedup?
Shinjuku Incident is great by the way.

[Killer Meteor]

HK DVD of Young Bruce Lee is 129min

UK DVD is 114min

[drees5761]

HK DVD NTSC
UK DVD PAL
All films in the UK on DVD are on the PAL format. This runs 1/25 second faster than the USA counterpart, NTSC.

[grim_tales]

That's true, but 114 mins in PAL does not equal 129 min NTSC, maybe the UK DVD is a shorter version.

[Markgway]

15 mins of PAL speed up for a 2hr movie!?!

[HungFist]

It's the new Super-PAL format. Runs 13% faster than NTSC. Haven't you heard of it?

[bradavon]

Has it actually been confirmed? Or are people just going on running times. Which is hardly an accurate measure.

[saltysam]

i'll check the running time of the hk blu of ybl when i get a chance....would be bizarre if they'd cut it.

[Yi-Long]

i'll check the running time of the hk blu of ybl when i get a chance....would be bizarre if they'd cut it.

Would it seriously be 'bizarre'!? It's more rare for an asian movie to get released UNCUT then it is to be butchered.

[bradavon]

The BBFC haven't cut it: http://www.bbfc.co.uk/AVV277732/

[Shingster]

i'll check the running time of the hk blu of ybl when i get a chance....would be bizarre if they'd cut it.

Would it seriously be 'bizarre'!? It's more rare for an asian movie to get released UNCUT then it is to be butchered.

Yeah, I've lost count of the asian films I've ignored on UKBD because the fucking Asian studios only send out the "International Edit" to western distributors (who obviously don't give a fuck enough to send them back).