John Woo's "Red Cliff"

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 28 Apr 2009, 01:26

I know

. That's why I said:

"Hopefully they've left the best footage from both cuts in."

I meant being owned by EIV in the cinema, won't effect it's quality. Whereas we all know EIV are incapable of producing a decent DVD/BD.

Ricochan38 · Post by **Ricochan38** » 29 Apr 2009, 12:05

I really liked Red Cliff (part 1 and 2) now i hope they will release some super dooper premium 2 dvd release later on because i will definately buy it.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 29 Apr 2009, 12:17

Hi Rico

Welcome back

How are you?

monzo44 · Post by **monzo44** » 03 May 2009, 22:34

Ricochan38 wrote:I really liked Red Cliff (part 1 and 2) now i hope they will release some super dooper premium 2 dvd release later on because i will definately buy it.

Hi Ricochan,

Zoke have released a 4 disc set that is the equivalent to their excellent 2 disc DVD9 sets for both movies in one package with some playing cards as a bonus.

You can get it here

I have the Zoke DVD9 releases for both movies and they look and sound about as well as a SD-DVD can to be honest!!

Cheers,
monzo

Ricochan38 · Post by **Ricochan38** » 08 May 2009, 08:47

grim_tales wrote:Hi Rico
Welcome back How are you?

Doing well, been busy with other things but found the website again by accident

But i am still addicted to the asian cinema 8)

I still miss the old website, that site was the coolest...

Ricochan38 · Post by **Ricochan38** » 08 May 2009, 08:49

How is the sound on the ZOKE release ? Do you mean very good or bad, because these movies deserve the best sound...

monzo44 · Post by **monzo44** » 11 May 2009, 22:37

Ricochan38 wrote:How is the sound on the ZOKE release ? Do you mean very good or bad, because these movies deserve the best sound...

Sounded fantastic to me!!

ghevans · Post by **ghevans** » 31 May 2009, 01:41

The Blu Ray quality of these two films is incredible, sucks that the watermark is on part 1 though, you'd hope they'd put out a re-release but thats never going to happen.

Amazing films also, great to see Woo return to form while taking on something more ambitious in scale and grandeur than he's ever done before. Whilst The Killer and HardBoiled for me as his ultimate films, I think they are just too different to compare with Red Cliff which feels like the natural growth for him as a filmmaker.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 31 May 2009, 11:18

The trailer for the International version was played last night. It's out in the 12th of June in The UK. I'm going to see it on the big screen then decide whether to get the BDs.

Those who have Part 1, would you say the watermark is so annoying that the DVD is better or because the BD is so good quality, you can put up with it? How often does it appear? Thanks.

ghevans · Post by **ghevans** » 31 May 2009, 13:30

I'll be honest - the first two times the watermark appears it is annoying and a bit distracting but after a while you adjust and just get used to it. I think it appears on a black bar so if it really is something that you can't get past you could potentially just pop something on the top corner of your tv to hang over the watermark area.

One thing I would say though is, if you can get hold of the film in two parts before the UK cinema release I'd suggest to watch it as intended in 2 parts first. There's so much in terms of character and some absolutely beautiful scenes that I worry that trimming it down into 1 x 140mins film is going to take away an awful lot that makes Red Cliff such an entertaining experience.

Obviously I cant say for certain until after I've seen the shorter cut but watching the original version I could see a few scenes that would be ok to lose but not 100+ mins worth of scenes.

Shingster · Post by **Shingster** » 31 May 2009, 13:43

What's far more annoying than the actual watermark itself is that all these review sites and forums go on and on about how distracting it is, but no one bothers to post screenshots of the damn thing! It appears in the black border so it's not much more distracting than random player-generated subtitles appearing every few minutes.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 31 May 2009, 14:43

It is its a joke and I wont own any disc with these shit things on them, its a fucking joke and they ruin the film. You may as well get pirates.

Shingster · Post by **Shingster** » 31 May 2009, 22:08

At the end of the day the HK BD is the best release of Red Cliff in its OAR, if there were an alternative I'd say great go get it, but there isn't and it's looking more likely that there may never will be. Owning a BD with a good 1080p presentation that has a bleedin logo appear inside the borders around 5 times during the film is FAR more appealing that owning a dodgy pirate copy!

diceman · Post by **diceman** » 31 May 2009, 23:56

So, is there actually a decent release of both movies on DVD available in the first place?
With "decent" I mean: Uncut, Original Aspect Ratio, readable Subs, no Watermark.
Thanks.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 01 Jun 2009, 12:42

diceman wrote:So, is there actually a decent release of both movies on DVD available in the first place?
With "decent" I mean: Uncut, Original Aspect Ratio, readable Subs, no Watermark.
Thanks.

The watermark on BD Part 1 isn't on the DVD.

Shingster wrote:Owning a BD with a good 1080p presentation that has a bleedin logo appear inside the borders around 5 times during the film is FAR more appealing that owning a dodgy pirate copy!

Is it only 5 times? I didn't realise that, thanks.

ps. - Thanks ghevans too. I'm going to check it out at the cinema (hmm. big screen!) first.

diceman · Post by **diceman** » 01 Jun 2009, 13:01

Thanks.

Since Blu-Ray hasn't become relevant for me (yet), I'll go for the DVD-Releases, then.
Talk about huge expectations; you'll better not fuck this up, John!

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 01 Jun 2009, 14:24

5 times isn't so bad I guess, especially if its in the border.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 02 Jun 2009, 13:13

I saw the cinema advert for this on TV (a TV spot) today, it looks really good

Should I see the full version (both parts) first or the UK version? I bet it won't play in my local cinema though.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 02 Jun 2009, 15:30

You're old enough to make your own mind up

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