Studio Canal HD-DVDs/Blu-ray Discs

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 12 Jun 2008, 17:40

I think I still have the Directors first workprint of Cliffhanger somewhere, shocking quality (almost unwatable), but it was a lot more nasty than the version we have anywhere in the world of Cliffhanger, or ever will.

I love the film myself, one wild ride and really would love to see some effort put into a Blu Ray version. Unless the transfer is stunning I wont bother upgrading from my dvd.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 12 Jun 2008, 18:04

Markgway wrote:Huh? I never said I did. I said I hoped that Sony would dig out the currently censored footage and put it on as an extra

That's basically what I said. I didn't stipulate main feature or extra

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Markgway wrote:Usually edited on TV.

I know. Hence why I said "probably not"

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Markgway wrote:Yes, the BBFC is very lenient on violence these days... too much so IMO.

Not IMO. I prefer it how it is now than what it was before. 15 year olds are more intelligent than people give them credit. It's the parents responsibly not BBFC to make sure under 15s don't see a 15.

Markgway wrote:It's not just the amount of gore that decides a rating for me but the morality and tone of the act in question.

I believe the BBFC would agree with you there, they do go to great lengths to make sure the classification is correct. I don't think I've seen the scenes you describe but it's otherwise definitely a 15 rated movie.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 13 Jun 2008, 00:37

romerojpg wrote:I think I still have the Directors first workprint of Cliffhanger somewhere, shocking quality (almost unwatable), but it was a lot more nasty than the version we have anywhere in the world of Cliffhanger, or ever will.

I've seen some of the uncut footage. Hal's shotgun shooting of Travers is much better edited in the WP. Considering the level of extreme violence in Rambo, Cliffhanger could probably get an uncut 'R' now. I know they won't source the footage, but it would be awesome if they did, even as an extra. I imagine the BD will be exactly the same content wise as the SE DVD.

Unless the transfer is stunning I wont bother upgrading from my dvd.

Cliffhanger has never looked as spectacular as it should IMO. It's one movie I always watch and think: that should look better.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 13 Jun 2008, 00:44

bradavon wrote:That's basically what I said. I didn't stipulate main feature or extra .

No. You asked me why I wanted a censored version? And I said I never did. I have no idea what your point is. Or if there is one?

Not IMO. I prefer it how it is now than what it was before.

The censorship used to be ridiculous in the UK, but I think the classification is too lenient now. And considering how much of a problem we have with violence in the UK, I'd be especially cautious allowing strong physical violence in under '18's. We know 15 years olds (and under) are going to see Cliffhanger, but that doesn't mean it should be a sanctioned activity. Scenes in which characters are repeatedly kicked in the head, face, and body whilst on the ground belong in an adult movie. Just MHO.

I don't think I've seen the scenes you describe but it's otherwise definitely a 15 rated movie.

Mostly it is a '15', but there's one, specifically, maybe two at a stretch, scenes which shouldn't have been passed uncut at '15'.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 13 Jun 2008, 00:58

How it COULD have ended?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6YpKBOR ... re=related

How it SHOULD have played without MPAA interference!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbDzzhQp ... re=related

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 13 Jun 2008, 01:12

Markgway wrote:No. You asked me why I wanted a censored version? And I said I never did. I have no idea what your point is. Or if there is one?

I think we're getting our wires crossed between Censored Version and Censored Footage.

Markgway wrote:And considering how much of a problem we have with violence in the UK, I'd be especially cautious allowing strong physical violence in under '18's. We know 15 years olds (and under) are going to see Cliffhanger, but that doesn't mean it should be a sanctioned activity.

I've never bought into that there is a strong link or maybe even link between real life violence and movie violence.

Markgway wrote:How it SHOULD have played without MPAA interference!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbDzzhQp ... re=related

WTF! Are you supposed to work out what the hell is going on?

I presume the difference is, the dude is shot in the back? How does he die in the R rated cut?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 13 Jun 2008, 01:20

Yeah, it's a horrible workprint - worst I've ever seen, actually. The one for Die Hard 2 looks much better.

In the R-rated version it's Stallone who kills Travers. He shoots Travers with his bolt firing gun SEVERAL TIMES without explaining how he manages to reload it underwater. To achieve this they reuse the same shot of Stallone firing the gun about three times in a row. Lousy. Rooker no longer fires the shotgun. The NC-17 edit is much better. Like I said I'd love to see this on the BD.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 13 Jun 2008, 02:33

IMO the film really isn't that good for me to care either way. It's no "who should shoot first? Han Solo or Greedo"

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Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 13 Jun 2008, 17:43

Cliffhanger is better than Star Wars. Fact.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 13 Jun 2008, 17:52

If you do not care do not bother wasting so many words on it. Jesus.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 13 Jun 2008, 20:20

I havent seen Cliffhanger, any good? The UK DVD is cut right?

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 13 Jun 2008, 20:26

romerojpg wrote:If you do not care do not bother wasting so many words on it. Jesus.

Well I like the film if that's what you mean and I'd like to see the alternate footage but not enough to have babies over it, like Mark

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grim_tales wrote:I havent seen Cliffhanger, any good? The UK DVD is cut right?

Yes it is good. I don't think it's as good as Die Hard but it's certainly a decent action flick, before CGI got right in the way. It was cut originally but it passed uncut only 10 days ago:

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classifie ... enDocument

This will related specifically to the new upcoming Optimum BD and I guess DVD too.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 13 Jun 2008, 20:38

Cliffhanger Region 1 Uncut dvd.

About £1.20p delivered.

http://www.secondspin.com/movies/produc ... id=1012685

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Only a fool would say no.

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bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 13 Jun 2008, 20:47

Just so Grim knows that's a second hand title, not that there is anything to wrong about. I've used them a few times.

Thanks for the code Romero. No offence but why the bloody hell don't you post these as a matter of course? Strangely I get the Secondspin and Wherehouse newsletters and the current official code is just "free postage over $50". I deleted the e-mail.

Does the code have an expiration date? They normally do.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 14 Jun 2008, 03:29

grim_tales wrote:I havent seen Cliffhanger, any good? The UK DVD is cut right?

I love the way Grim manages to ask the most obvious questions with a straight face.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 14 Jun 2008, 13:28

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 14 Jun 2008, 14:27

Romero, thanks for the 2ndspin coupon.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 14 Jun 2008, 14:38

I never knew it was new to people! good job I told you now then

but I ordered plenty of stuff from them so far as a test, dvds, cds and Blu Rays. Some dvds are £1 delivered! they must loose cash on them.

Miami Vice Directors Cut edition £1 delivered! I never loved the film, but damn it was worth £1 just to see the slightly new cut.

Sadly I have no clue when it runs out

hence why I orderexd loads quickly and spent a few hours searching thru tonnes of items.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 14 Jun 2008, 15:03

Fair enough then.

20% off + Free postage is super rare for these two companies, usually it's one or the other.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 22 Jun 2008, 00:42

Double Team is coming too:

http://www.play.com/DVD/Blu-ray/4-/5800 ... oduct.html

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 22 Jun 2008, 01:30

Maximum Risk is better.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 25 Jun 2008, 21:14

announced extras for the BD'S of T2,The Fog & Total Recall have been cancelled

http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/ ... t-day.html

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 26 Jun 2008, 00:29

They were thinking of us schmos with the HD-DVDs then, I see.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 26 Jun 2008, 04:19

Why cancel extras? Muppets.

Might as well buy the cheaper Lionsgate imports.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 26 Jun 2008, 18:56

Markgway wrote:Why cancel extras? Muppets.

I doubt they were ever really coming.

Markgway wrote:Might as well buy the cheaper Lionsgate imports.

Many of them have poor early release Picture Quality.

I'll still pick up The Fog but won't bother with T2 any more. I'll still get the German HD-DVD.