The Official "Dragon Dynasty" Thread!

chenlung · Post by **chenlung** » 21 May 2008, 23:32

bradavon wrote:Thanks Lee. Interesting "Come Drink with me" has Mandarin Mono or English DD5.1.

It is unusual, but it's probably because an original dub was never recorded and Celestial just recorded a new one in 5.1 mix.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 21 May 2008, 23:36

So you reckon DD did no work to the audio themselves? Normally they create new 5.1 mixes in both languages.

I'll be picking up "Come Drink with Me". I hear it's good.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 21 May 2008, 23:40

bradavon wrote:So you reckon DD did no work to the audio themselves? Normally they create new 5.1 mixes in both languages.

They do? I always assumed they just used the Celestial / Fortune Star 5.1 mixes with their releases

bradavon wrote: I'll be picking up "Come Drink with Me". I hear it's good.

It's alright. Heroes of the East is amazing.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 21 May 2008, 23:44

HungFist wrote:They do? I always assumed they just used the Celestial / Fortune Star 5.1 mixes with their releases

Are all their releases from Celestial or Fortune Star? I thought they created their own 5.1 mixes (like they did at HKL), maybe not.

I don't have much interest in Heroes of the East. I'm generally not interested in Old School Martial Arts (except Bruce Lee) but figure I should give a Shaw Brothers film a go.

chenlung · Post by **chenlung** » 21 May 2008, 23:52

bradavon wrote:So you reckon DD did no work to the audio themselves? Normally they create new 5.1 mixes in both languages.

Na, they're not allowed to AFAIK.

Unless telecined themselves, they probably don't do any audio remixing. That stuff comes from Fortune Star and the likes

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'HOTE' has a few trashy bits in the first half (LKL's cameo is kinda cool, but it's a boring fight), but I still like the movie.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 22 May 2008, 00:02

bradavon wrote:
HungFist wrote:They do? I always assumed they just used the Celestial / Fortune Star 5.1 mixes with their releases
Are all their releases from Celestial or Fortune Star? I thought they created their own 5.1 mixes (like they did at HKL), maybe not.

I don't have much interest in Heroes of the East. I'm generally not interested in Old School Martial Arts (except Bruce Lee) but figure I should give a Shaw Brothers film a go.

You might still get something out of Heroes as it's an incredible showcase for Liu Chia Hui. In the film (very minor spoiler ahead) he must face several japanese fighters, and learn a new fighting style every time he meets a new opponent. It's amazing how one guy can be so specialize in all those different styles. Among the styles is Drunken Boxing, with the director Liu Chia Liang playing the Drunken Master.

(still slight spoilers) The film is also partly a family drama... although not quite like anything you've seen before. You can pretty much guess the outcome when the husband is a nationalistic chinese kung fu master, and the wife very pround of her japanese ninjitsu art

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 22 May 2008, 00:35

The different fighting styles aspect sounds cool.

Cheers Chenlung. I wonder why they cannot create new audio mixes though.

Shingster · Post by **Shingster** » 22 May 2008, 09:36

Well they're almost certainly given remixed audio masters from Celestial, so it's not like you can do much with that, yes you could remix it from 5.1 to mono but you'd still be left with the crappy foley effects (if they've been added), which is the real problem people have with Celestial's remasters.

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 22 May 2008, 09:39

No, the DDs are proper mono - aside from the English dub on One Armed Swordsman, which has some new fight foley. None of the DD Shaws have 5.1 remixes for the original audio tracks

chenlung · Post by **chenlung** » 22 May 2008, 11:09

Ivan Drago wrote:aside from the English dub on One Armed Swordsman, which has some new fight foley.

How disappointing

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Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 22 May 2008, 11:40

Yeah, they could have just cut to the Mandarin track

Shingster · Post by **Shingster** » 22 May 2008, 16:44

Ivan Drago wrote:None of the DD Shaws have 5.1 remixes for the original audio tracks

Result.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 22 May 2008, 16:50

Thanks guys. I presume that means? -

Celestial titles: Original Mono/Stereo - English 5.1
Fortune Star titles: Original Mono/Stereo - Original 5.1 - English 5.1

Do DD only source their material from Fortune Star or Celestial?

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 22 May 2008, 16:52

bradavon wrote: I'll be picking up "Come Drink with Me". I hear it's good.

How many times have you said that on this thread now

you must own tonnes by now

CDWM is far from even in the top 50 Shaw films, for anything, plot, fighting or acting, still no idea why it gets so much prase at all apart from doing what it does well (it is good dont get me wrong) and being a "Classic", it never blows the screen away like the best Shaws.

Heroes of the East pisses all over it from 100 miles above

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 22 May 2008, 16:54

Romero, CDWM is an important film in HK cinema.

chenlung · Post by **chenlung** » 22 May 2008, 16:59

Celestial titles: Original Mono/Stereo - English 5.1

All the Shaws are original mono (no 5.1) with exception to OAS English being a 5.1 downgrade.

Do DD only source their material from Fortune Star or Celestial?

Anything not supplied by Celestial/FS must have their approval.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 22 May 2008, 17:13

romerojpg wrote:How many times have you said that on this thread now you must own tonnes by now

It's never been available in a decent form before

romerojpg wrote:CDWM is far from even in the top 50 Shaw films, for anything, plot, fighting or acting, still no idea why it gets so much prase at all apart from doing what it does well

I guess you could say the same about Drunken Master in it's genre. Your taste in films is very different from mine though.

chenlung wrote:Anything not supplied by Celestial/FS must have their approval.

If I remember correctly HKL had deals with Media Asia and later Fortune Star. I guess in theory DD could do something similar. I ask as I don't recall Seven Swords or Tom Yumg Goong coming from those two companies. Thanks for the info about the audio spec.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 22 May 2008, 17:26

bradavon wrote: I guess you could say the same about Drunken Master in it's genre.

If you're an idiot, yes.

bradavon wrote:
chenlung wrote:Anything not supplied by Celestial/FS must have their approval.
I remember correctly HKL had deals with Media Asia and later Fortune Star. I guess in theory DD could do something similar.

In the beginning HKL bought Media Asia licences because MA was the right holder. But then, unless I'm totally mistaken, Fortune Star bought the Media Asia library. So, naturally HKL had to switch to FS.

chenlung · Post by **chenlung** » 22 May 2008, 17:27

I remember correctly HKL had deals with Media Asia and later Fortune Star. I guess in theory DD could do something similar.

Well, all contracts are different I suppose. I think the STAR TV catalogue was transferred from Media Asia to Fortune Star in 2003 perhaps.

Any titles that are released now with a Media Asia logo is because the deal occurred when they had the films

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I ask as I don't recall Seven Swords or Tom Yumg Goong coming from those two countries. Thanks for the info about the audio spec.

I meant any Celestial/FS acquired titles with 3rd party sources etc that didn't belong to them must have approval

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chenlung · Post by **chenlung** » 22 May 2008, 17:38

If you're an idiot, yes.

I think that's a bit unfair. I don't like many films that others seem to love.

I do like DM, but not DM2.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 22 May 2008, 17:41

Thanks Chen.

HungFist wrote:If you're an idiot, yes.

That was a little strong. DM is considered one of the best in it's genre, yet not everone feels the same way. I think it's one of most boring films ever made.

HungFist wrote:In the beginning HKL bought Media Asia licences because MA was the right holder. But then, unless I'm totally mistaken, Fortune Star bought the Media Asia library. So, naturally HKL had to switch to FS.

Thanks. I didn't know that.

HKL did release City on Fire using the Media Asia print not Fortune Star print.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 22 May 2008, 17:51

bradavon wrote:
romerojpg wrote:How many times have you said that on this thread now you must own tonnes by now
It's never been available in a decent form before

I am talking abot the tonnes of other films you said you would be picking up, and never did at all.

If you picked up all the films you say would wil, you would have 100000 dvds.

grim_tales wrote:Romero, CDWM is an important film in HK cinema.

Who gives a fuck? I couldnt care less how self important a film is.

I watch a film, not a self important genre classic pushed on sheep who think a classic must be seen.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 22 May 2008, 17:58

bradavon wrote:
HungFist wrote:If you're an idiot, yes.
That was a little strong.

Yeah, but only a little.

bradavon wrote: HKL did release City on Fire using the Media Asia print not Fortune Star print.

As Chen already explained, a lot of deals were made back in MA days, although some of the dvds only got released years later.

romerojpg wrote:
grim_tales wrote:Romero, CDWM is an important film in HK cinema.
Who gives a fuck? I couldnt care less how self important a film is.

I watch a film, not a self important genre classic pushed on sheep who think a classic must be seen.

Bloody hell, rational thinking from Romero

chenlung · Post by **chenlung** » 22 May 2008, 18:07

romerojpg wrote:I watch a film, not a self important genre classic pushed on sheep who think a classic must be seen.

Agreed

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Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 22 May 2008, 18:12

Come Drink With Me is probably the weakest King Hu film I've seen. But that still makes it bloody brilliant!

I do think though, that Come Drink With Me gets praises for being the first of its kind that really deserve to go to the previous year's Temple of the Red Lotus, which launched Shaw's sucessful run of wu xia pictures and introduced the world to Jimmy Wang Yu and Lo Lieh