Batman Returns: UK DVD will be cut!!

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 17 Sep 2005, 00:18

Bad news for anyone hoping to pick up the R2 release.

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BATMAN RETURNS (12)
Video Feature
Classified 15 September, 2005.
Run Time 121m 6s

Widescreen,

Language Infrequent, mild
Sex/Nudity Some mild references
Violence Frequent, moderate, fantasy
Other None

When submitted to the BBFC the work had a running time of 121m 13s.

To obtain this category cuts of 0m 7s were required. The cuts were Compulsory.
Cut required to remove a potentially dangerous imitable technique, in accordance with BBFC Policy and Guidelines and the Video Recordings Act, 1984.
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Dumb asses... surely the film could've been an uncut '15'? Even though the previous video was a cut '15' the film has been screened uncut on TV about 30 times!! Yes, we all know putting an aerosal in the micro will cause it to explode. We're not fucking stupid and I would think most 15 year olds would be aware of the fact. Ironically the lowered 12 cert allows for the kind of violence (headbutting and face slashing) which is IMHO unsuitable for kids. Great job, BBFC. Let the kids see strong violence (it's not moderate, really) and spoil it for the collectors. Arses.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 17 Sep 2005, 05:44

Big deal if the UK release is cut, just import the R1 or R4.

Markgway wrote:Ironically the lowered 12 cert allows for the kind of violence (headbutting and face slashing) which is IMHO unsuitable for kids.

Haha, the cutting of headbutting. It's funny how only brits find it "unacceptable".

Big deal if the UK release is cut, just import the R1 or R4.

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 17 Sep 2005, 07:29

This is pretty damn stupid but it's not the BBFC's fault (assuming an uncut 15 was provided). The distributors got greedy and went for the censored 12 option.

About headbutts. Maybe Brits are the only ones aware of the consequences when kids copy what they see on screen. So many films portray headbutts as a harmless action - the opponent is slightly dazed but is back on their feet in no time. In reality, we all know that it can break the nose and cause serious injuries.

After cases of kids imitating headbutts on the playground, where some poor boy's bleeding like tap, it would make sense to provide a higher classification so that more mature & responsible members of the audience get to see headbutts only.

But as mentioned, importing the uncut discs seems to be the way forward.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 17 Sep 2005, 08:41

R1 for me then (if I get it).

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 17 Sep 2005, 10:03

BiscLimpkit wrote:This is pretty damn stupid but it's not the BBFC's fault (assuming an uncut 15 was provided). The distributors got greedy and went for the censored 12 option.

Sounds like the film was submitted uncut. The cuts were compulsory meaning that they would be cut at any category. The old '15' tape was cut as same. The cuts are now 7s instead of 9s so I'm presuming the only swinging nunchaku cut has been waived.

About headbutts. Maybe Brits are the only ones aware of the consequences when kids copy what they see on screen. So many films portray headbutts as a harmless action - the opponent is slightly dazed but is back on their feet in no time. In reality, we all know that it can break the nose and cause serious injuries.

Agreed. It's sad that the BBFC has been presurised into allowed headbutts into '12' films (ie. Batman Begins, which should've been a '15') Unlike a flying kick or some fancy martial art move, headbutts are easily imitible and not uncommon in playground fights.

But as mentioned, importing the uncut discs seems to be the way forward.

Right you are. It's an R1 for me. 8)

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 17 Sep 2005, 10:08

What was cut from Batman Forever, Mark?
The first Batman was uncut right? (This was one of the first films to be given the new 12 cinema cert in 1989).

IronMonkey · Post by **IronMonkey** » 17 Sep 2005, 11:14

I'm not so sure about that... Wasn't Batman certified 15? Or was that just for home video release?

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 17 Sep 2005, 12:55

You shittin me

I got the R2 for 8 pouds, now I have to can it and re order the stupid expensive other reagion versions why the hell is it cut!?!? it was uncut in cinemas! thats a joke!

If I cannot get another region for 8 pound I wont buy it! fuckers!

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 17 Sep 2005, 13:51

You shittin me I got the R2 for 8 pouds, now I have to can it and re order the stupid expensive other reagion versions why the hell is it cut!?!? it was uncut in cinemas! thats a joke!

No it wasn't.
It was still cut by 9s in the cinema (the cinema version was 12 rated but iwerdly raised to 15 with the same cuts Romero.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 17 Sep 2005, 14:20

Where is this info on the BBFC site then? I cannot find it, it says passed UNCUT

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 17 Sep 2005, 14:33

BATMAN RETURNS Feature
Film
Classified 02 July, 1992 . Run Time 126m 16s

Advice for consumers
No consumer advice is available for this work

The main spoken language in this work is English.

When submitted to the BBFC the work had a running time of 126m 25s.
The running time of this film was calculated from the measured length of 11364+2 ( feet + frames ).

To obtain this category cuts of 0m 9s were required.

At the time of classification Warner Brothers was the distributor of this film.

Directed by Tim Burton Producer(s) Tim Burton; Denise Di Novi

The cast for this work includes: Michael Keaton, Danny De Vito, Michelle Pfeiffer, Christopher Walken, Michael Gough, Michael Murphy, Cristi Conaway, Andrew Bryniarski, Pat Hingle, Vincent Schiavelli, Steve Witting, Jan Hooks.

A film or video, together with associated trailers may exist in several versions and all versions known to the BBFC are listed below.

Category Type Date Company Run Time Cut Title
VideoTrailer 10/06/1992 Warner Home Video Ltd 2m 22s No BATMAN RETURNS
Film 02/07/1992 Warner Brothers 126m 16s Yes BATMAN RETURNS
VideoTrailer 03/08/1992 Warner Home Video Ltd 2m 25s Yes BATMAN RETURNS
VideoTrailer 09/09/1992 Warner Home Video Ltd 2m 26s No BATMAN RETURNS
VideoTrailer 25/09/1992 Warner Home Video Ltd 2m 22s No BATMAN RETURNS
Video 15/10/1992 Warner Home Video Ltd 121m 3s No BATMAN RETURNS
Video 13/04/1994 Warner Home Video Ltd 121m 4s No BATMAN RETURNS
Video 20/12/2004 On Demand Management Ltd 121m 3s No BATMAN RETURNS
VideoTrailer 12/08/2005 Warner Home Video Ltd 2m 32s No BATMAN RETURNS
Video 15/09/2005 Warner Home Video Ltd 121m 6s Yes BATMAN RETURNS

You may have read "UK cinema version as cut" for other releases (ie no further cuts applied).

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 17 Sep 2005, 14:45

double forum viewers

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 17 Sep 2005, 14:57

IGNORE ME I was thinking Returns was Begins!

too late I canned my dvds now

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 17 Sep 2005, 14:59

Cant you order it again (Begins).

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 17 Sep 2005, 15:19

Yes, but not for the same cheap price

I had it for 8 pound, its a lot more now, so will have to get the inferior R3 version instead. Ah well.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 17 Sep 2005, 15:40

Why would the R3 version be worse

I'd imagine for a big release like Begins, itd be made by the same company, no?
Is the video worse?

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 17 Sep 2005, 16:28

Its NTSC for starters and its R3 packaging. I prefer PAL and real english packaging and extras and the quality control of R3 dvds isnt up to the same standards as english dvds as many I have, have bugs here and there.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 17 Sep 2005, 16:32

Fair enough

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 18 Sep 2005, 02:06

What was cut from Batman Forever, Mark?

1m, 38s of violence and threat.

The first Batman was uncut right? (This was one of the first films to be given the new 12 cinema cert in 1989).

Yes.

I'm not so sure about that... Wasn't Batman certified 15? Or was that just for home video release?

Just for video. The 12 cert for video wasn't introduced until 1994.

it was uncut in cinemas! thats a joke!

No, same cuts made for cinema and video. The DVD will be the same, but likely with the nunchaku swinging restored.

It was still cut by 9s in the cinema (the cinema version was 12 rated but iwerdly raised to 15 with the same cuts Romero.

Not wierd, it's because there was no 12 video rating at that time. The 12 given then and now is too lenient. It should be an uncut 15 IMO.

Yes, but not for the same cheap price I had it for 8 pound, its a lot more now, so will have to get the inferior R3 version instead. Ah well.

Always pays to read threads properly. Where did you get the R2 of Batman Begins for £8? Was it the 2-disc version?

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 18 Sep 2005, 12:54

It was the 2 dvd version as 99% of all countries only sell 2 dvd versions. It was from cdwow with the $ link which made it $15 hey most films are cheap with that $ link on the thread, as I have said many times

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 18 Sep 2005, 14:00

Do you think Batman Forever will still be cut Mark, or will the BBFC bump it up to a 12?

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 18 Sep 2005, 18:46

who is cheapest for the region 1 box set?or is there a cheaper region 3 version available?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 18 Sep 2005, 19:37

grim_tales wrote:Do you think Batman Forever will still be cut Mark, or will the BBFC bump it up to a 12?

Impossible to say... could go either way really?

Incidentally -- and how's this for dumb? -- the Box Set will STILL be rated '15' because of one of the extras on the Batman Returns DVD.

You couldn't make this shit up.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 30 Sep 2005, 20:28

i've gone for the region 1 boxset £35.99 at loaded247.com it can be had cheaper but no customs risk with loaded.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 30 Sep 2005, 22:42

I only want the first two films - but it's £30 quid for those alone!!

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