The Terminator (Ultimate Edition) in September

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 11 Jul 2005, 21:17

Cover art can be seen in the source link!

MGM Home Entertainment have announced the UK Region 2 DVD release of The Terminator (Ultimate Edition) for 26th September 2005 priced at £19.99. Directed by the previously unknown James Cameron (Titanic, Aliens) and starring an Austrian body-builder Arnold Schwarzenegger, this ground-breaking movie blew critics and audiences away with its post-apocalyptic vision of a futuristic battle brought back to modern day LA.

Digitally Remastered with a new transfer and Dolby 5.1 and DTS sound mean that this DVD delivers the ultimate in sound and vision. Plus a host of eagerly awaited extra features on a bonus disc and smart collectable new packaging make this a must-have purchase for any film fan.

Features include:

* Collectable Packaging
* New Digital Transfer and Dolby 5.1 / DTS sound (NEW)
* Documentary: Closer To The Real Thing – interview with James Cameron and modern day inventors and cyborg experts (NEW)
* Documentary: Unstoppable Force, The Legacy of The Terminator – how today’s film makers were influenced (NEW)
* Deleted Scenes with Audio Commentary by James Cameron
* Documentary: Other Voices
* Documentary: A Retrospective
* 2 x TV Ads
* 3 x Trailers
* Still Image Gallery
* Scripts – including: Original Treatment, 1983 Fourth Draft and Final Shooting Script
* Easter Eggs

Source: http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=57726

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 11 Jul 2005, 22:22

I've got the previous Sp. Ed so I won't be bothering with this.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 11 Jul 2005, 23:13

I wonder how much better the PQ will be. I'm some what dubious about that, it was only remastered a few years ago. I don't see any mention of the original (i.e - no new foley effects) Mono soundtrack, so hardly Ultimate.

Two new documentaries is nice though. Even if the release isn't really necessary.

I "may" get it if the PQ is really remastered and the DTS is much better but then again I hear the DTS isn't much different on the JP R2. I see no mention of the audio being remastered.

p.s - No director commentary is a big con as well. T2 has one (on the Extreme edition).

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 12 Jul 2005, 08:09

I agree with you Mark, I have the R1 SE so won't be bothering. The PQ is already good (for the time it was done).

IronMonkey · Post by **IronMonkey** » 12 Jul 2005, 08:44

If this DVD does not have the original mono soundtrack I will be very disappointed. I will probably still buy it anyway because this is my all time favourite film and I want to see the new extras.

If Sony really want to make this the "Ultimate Edition", they should include the deleted scenes in a branching version of the film so you can choose which version you want to watch like on the Terminator 2 DVD...

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 12 Jul 2005, 12:50

Grim aren't you going to wait to see?

The PQ and SQ could be much better. In the case of Gladiator it's a recent film but Terminator is 20 years old so there is lots of room for improvement.

Now I have a 32" WS HD-Ready LCD TV I'm also beginning a bit more picky about PQ. My Dawson's Creek DVDs (S1 and S2) looked acceptable on my CRT but look really grainy on my LCD. It's much less forgiving to crap transfers. That said they're still watchable.

IronMonkey wrote:If Sony really want to make this the "Ultimate Edition", they should include the deleted scenes in a branching version of the film so you can choose which version you want to watch like on the Terminator 2 DVD...

The difference there was Cameron wanted to re-add them.

I'm all for it though as some of the deleted scenes are very good BUT they'd completely mess up T2 as they contain the same ideas or the beginning of the same ideas.

IronMonkey · Post by **IronMonkey** » 12 Jul 2005, 13:29

Yeah but surely we should be given the option?

All we have ever had is the theatrical cut of this film. I have seen the deleted scenes on the current MGM R1 release and would like to see them integrated into a branching version of the film so that I am able to choose which version I want to watch.

Branching is one of the best and least-used features of DVD technology. It would be a shame to put yet another release to waste through non-integration of the deleted scenes.

Hopefully one day a company will get the release of my favourite film right and I will be able to watch an extended version...

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 12 Jul 2005, 13:39

Brad I will see but at the moment I'm happy with my R1.
Maybe if the PQ is vastly superior/it has the mono track too I'll sidegrade (its not an upgrade)

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 12 Jul 2005, 14:08

grim_tales wrote:Maybe if the PQ is vastly superior/it has the mono track too I'll sidegrade (its not an upgrade)

Do you seriously want the mono soundtrack? The 5.1 is so well done on Terminator. I mean as in a reason to not get this, sure I'd like it but I doubt I'd give it more than a quick listen.

It really, really improves the film.

IronMonkey wrote:Yeah but surely we should be given the option?

Didn't you see I agreeing with you???

IronMonkey · Post by **IronMonkey** » 12 Jul 2005, 15:44

bradavon wrote:Do you seriously want the mono soundtrack? The 5.1 is so well done on Terminator. I mean as in a reason to not get this, sure I'd like it but I doubt I'd give it more than a quick listen.

It really, really improves the film.

Don't get me started on this matter! The 5.1 track would have been absolutely awesome if they hadn't changed music cues and foley effects! That is the reason why we want the mono track - it is the original track! It's just the same as the Ong Bak release from Premier Asia.

I for one was very impressed with the 5.1 track on the current edition of The Terminator right up until Reese and the police man scrap and Reese asks what date it is... The gunshot effects are changed there, and I couldn't believe it.

I watched the whole film once with that track but never will again. Original mono is a must for me, unless Sony decide to remix the original track into 5.1 without changing the foley effects.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 12 Jul 2005, 16:20

The bit where Arnie shoots the "wrong" Sarah Connor really loses the impact too, by using the silencer.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 12 Jul 2005, 16:43

Didn't he use a silencer originally?

Thanks for that Ironmonkey. I agree it's no different from Ong-bak, it's just for me the 5.1 on Terminator is so good. I've not heard the mono on Terminator for so long now I cannot remember what it sounds like.

I was wondering if you were against 5.1 on Terminator just because it's 5.1 but can see now you're not.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 12 Jul 2005, 17:18

No he doesnt use a silencer, Arnie uses an ordinary gun (IIRC).

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 12 Jul 2005, 17:29

I take it you mean the sound effects were different? Instead of different footage showing a different type of gun.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 12 Jul 2005, 17:53

Yes thats what I mean, the 5.1 uses a silencer effect.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 26 Aug 2005, 14:32

Since the Ultimate Ed due out in Sept probably won't have the original mono, here's a good alternative.

For 5.52 pounds from cd-wow (when using the $2-8USD voucher) you can pick up the R3 Korean 2-disc SE which has the original mono. It's reportedly identical to the old R1 double-sided release (which has since gone OOP and been replaced by a movie only barebones release) except with on 2 discs. I'd snap this up quick, cuz judging from koreandvds.com it's gone OOP.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 26 Aug 2005, 22:58

What a strange way of spreading the extras across both discs, put all the extras on disc 1 with the film and leave the tiny ones to disc 2.

Unless there is something special in the 30 Easter eggs then they'd all easily fit on disc 1. I don't see mention of it going OOP at KoreanDVDs.

grim_tales wrote:Maybe if the PQ is vastly superior/it has the mono track too I'll sidegrade (its not an upgrade)

If mono is included as you ask then of course it's an upgrade.

MGM may release this on R1 and will probably stick on mono.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 28 Aug 2005, 22:30

bradavon wrote:What a strange way of spreading the extras across both discs, put all the extras on disc 1 with the film and leave the tiny ones to disc 2.

Unless there is something special in the 30 Easter eggs then they'd all easily fit on disc 1.

Huh? Do you own the Korean release and that's how it's layed out?

I don't see mention of it going OOP at KoreanDVDs.

It says it's sold out, that's a good sign that it's OOP when it comes to these Asian DVD e-tailers from my experience.

grim_tales wrote:MGM may release this on R1 and will probably stick on mono.

Definately, I'd probably won't double-dip T1 and definately not T2 until they're affordable on a hi-def format.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 28 Aug 2005, 23:57

EvaUnit02 wrote:Huh? Do you own the Korean release and that's how it's layed out?

Nope but the KoreanDVDs link you provided does:

* DISC 1

- DVD 9 (DUAL LAYER SINGLE SIDED DISC)
- Featurette "The Terminator: A Retrospective": "The Terminator: A Retrospective"
- Featurette "Other Voices": "Other Voices"
- Deleted Scenes with Optional Commentary By James Cameron

* DISC 2

- DVD 5 (SINGLE LAYER SINGLE SIDED DISC)
- Still Gallery
- Original Theatrical Trailer
- Teaser Trailer
- Foreign Trailer
- TV Spots
- 30 Easter Eggs

It says it's sold out, that's a good sign that it's OOP when it comes to these Asian DVD e-tailers from my experience.

Not on my pc it doesn't.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 29 Aug 2005, 07:41

30 Easter Eggs?!
Doesnt it mean 3?

gojensen · Post by **gojensen** » 30 Aug 2005, 09:20

Hm... If this has only the new foley effects I'll not be "downgrading"

Remember that Terminator was a really low budget film, and I doubt it will look much better than the R1 release untill we go HD. It was also shot on Super35 (like so many Cameron films) which tend to be rather grainy (especially in low light scenes).

If I remember correctly though the biggest issue, apart from new foley effects, with the previous R2 was the missing burnt in intro text which was replaced by a multilanguage subtitle track.

And what gives...!? DTS on a MONO original soundtrack?! And not a great soundtrack at that... why all this DTS on EVERYTHING! Ack!

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 31 Aug 2005, 23:49

I received the R3HK a few days ago. The original English mono is intact and it's the exact same transfer as on my R1 single-disc barebones release. It seems like it's exactly the same as the R1 SE, except on it's 2 discs and not a DVD-14 (I hate double-sided discs), also it's missing the French dub and there's a bunch of Asian subtitle streams (but who gives a fuck). Everything's in 100% English:- the menus, the insert booklet, the sleeve insert, etc. The zillion easter eggs are intact too.

For $9.99USD w/ the $2-8USD coupon from cd-wow, it's a steal. 8)

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 31 Aug 2005, 23:53

gojensen wrote:It was also shot on Super35 (like so many Cameron films) which tend to be rather grainy (especially in low light scenes).

Nah. His first Super35 film was The Abyss.

gojensen · Post by **gojensen** » 01 Sep 2005, 07:18

You may be right, I just read 35mm over at IMDB and jumped to conclusions. Actually now that it's up - I thought this was shot on 16mm and enlarged to 35mm for theatrical?! Anyone know what type of film it actually was shot on?

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 27 Sep 2005, 08:30

They've added the new French Ultimate Ed (which is EXACTLY the same as the UK release from what I gather) to the Rewind comparison and it has NO MONO track. So fuck the T1 UE then and MGM can goto hell in this particular case.