Supercop Dimension R1 vs Dragon Dynasty R1 Vs IVL R3

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 08 Jan 2009, 17:21

Ok i've called this Supercop as to me it isn't the "real" Police Story 3.if you think i should change it to it's original title then i will.apologies for the very loose captures,i'm really not well but this arrived and i've dragged myself in here to do give you guys a quick look

R1 DIM.

R1 DD

R3 IVL

R1 DIM.

R1 DD

R1 DIM.

R1 DD

R3 IVL

R1 DIM.

R1 DD

R3 IVL

R1 DIM.

R1 DD

R3 IVL

R1 DIM.

R1 DD

R3 IVL

R1 DIM.

R1 DD

R3 IVL

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 08 Jan 2009, 19:13

another DD screwup

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 08 Jan 2009, 19:22

Dimension is cack. DD is.. less cack.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 08 Jan 2009, 20:07

I didn't know this was out. Thanks Salty for providing caps when ill. A few question please:

1. What's cut? I've seen that IMDB link but it contradicts itself with two sets of different cuts.
2. I presume it's Cantonese Mono and in sync?
3. How does it compare to the Fortune Star IVL?

If this is better or roughly the same as the FS IVL I may still get this, not if it's much worse though. As said previously I only own a DVD-9 bootleg.

Is there a legal reason why DD keep using Dimension cuts?

p.s - If time codes can be provided I'll post captures for the Fortune Star IVL. It's a copy but a DVD-9 one so a direct copy.

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 08 Jan 2009, 20:16

The fortune star ivl was uncut but the mono was out of sync. The DD DVD's Cantonese track is said to slow down the song at the end. Can you comment on this, Salty?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 09 Jan 2009, 00:49

The DD looks better despite contrast boosting.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 09 Jan 2009, 01:11

It wouldn't exactly be hard though.

chenlung · Post by **chenlung** » 09 Jan 2009, 03:25

Dimension's levels look better (blacks aren't blue, reds aren't over-saturated - DD has purplish forced-red look because of it), but DD is generally pleasing because it's far sharper. Just a case of whether the frames are a problem. I wonder if the subtitles were re-translated. Either way, unless people like the Dimension version, this one's only worthy because of the extras - curiously, I wonder how the Cantonese soundtrack sounds compared to Deltamac's DVD or the LD's respected PCM track.

Adding the IVL or Spectrum captures would be interesting I suppose. IVL's re-issued version shows some differences in the levels (http://adg.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=1753).

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 09 Jan 2009, 16:35

i am no expert but i checked a short passage of english audio with the english subs.they aren't dubtitles.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 09 Jan 2009, 17:25

Good, thanks.

Could you post the time codes please, rough ones will be enough.

DangerousLeeHandsome · Post by **DangerousLeeHandsome** » 09 Jan 2009, 22:32

Could someone add IVL caps?

chenlung · Post by **chenlung** » 10 Jan 2009, 02:21

DangerousLeeHandsome wrote:Could someone add IVL caps?

Also the Spectrum caps (both FS-sourced DVDs are different - as if FS put their master through a re-grading and damage removal scheme).

Spectrum probably has better contrast and colours when Joy Sales looks as if it was obnoxiously reddened and re-compressed (if it's an IVL re-issue, it could explain the re-compression).

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 10 Jan 2009, 09:45

IVL often over-redded the Shaw titles too

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 10 Jan 2009, 15:22

If someone can provide time codes for Salty's captures I can add IVL FS captures.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 10 Jan 2009, 21:17

ignoring the title card ones 1st approx. 4:04 2nd around 45:33 3rd approx 1:13:42 and 4th approx 1:22:05

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 11 Jan 2009, 19:49

Thanks. I'll add them sometime this week.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 06 Feb 2009, 19:14

Here are the IVL Fortune Star captures, sorry it's taken awhile I forgot I said I'd do them:

Menu: https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... IVL_01.jpg
Title card: https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... IVL_02.jpg
Film Frame 1: https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... IVL_03.jpg
Film Frame 2: https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... IVL_04.jpg
Film Frame 3: https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... IVL_05.jpg
Film Frame 4: https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... IVL_06.jpg

I've tried my best to match captures. I was unable to find the frame Salty used for Frame 2.

Salty can you please use the frame before or after a scene change in future please. It makes it so much easier to match frames. As usual I used VirtalDubMOD. What software did you use Salty? That needs to be taken into account when comparing.

Where is the first capture in the film? The one looking like Jackie's head has exploded. I cannot find it.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 06 Feb 2009, 19:25

The DD looks like the best one, although I suspect it's been contrasted boosted. I'm also not sure how accurate it is, given that Salty probably used something like PowerDVD.

What's cut from the R1? I've seen that IMDB link but it contradicts itself with two sets of different cuts.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 06 Feb 2009, 21:32

i used vlc media player to take the captures.

chenlung · Post by **chenlung** » 07 Feb 2009, 03:15

Thanks Brad. Well, it's not a straight-forward one.

IVL's looks more cooler and subdued and with any instances of hot colours, there's an overall yellow tint to it and the contrast looks a bit weak compared to the contrast-boosted DD.

Colour-wise, Dimension still outranks any of them, but it's still non-anamorphic and softer.

Capture 1: Dragon Dynasty would have been the winner had it not been saturated as much.
Capture 2: Dimension is the best coloured, but after that, I'd go for IVL as DD's colour is off.
Capture 3: Dragon Dynasty would have been the winner if it wasn't as pinked.
Capture 4: I'd be happy to award IVL. Dimension follows closely, whilst DD looks over-saturated.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 07 Feb 2009, 09:51

bradavon wrote:Where is the first capture in the film? The one looking like Jackie's head has exploded. I cannot find it.

That was part of the Dimension credits sequence.

chenlung · Post by **chenlung** » 07 Feb 2009, 09:53

Markgway wrote:
bradavon wrote:Where is the first capture in the film? The one looking like Jackie's head has exploded. I cannot find it.
That was part of the Dimension credits sequence.

Yeah, I was like "what the fuck is that"? I haven't seen the Dimension cut.

That shot reminds me of 'City Hunter's animated opening.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 07 Feb 2009, 12:21

I prefer the DD due to it's stronger colours but am very dubious about this as it's clearly been contrasted boosted, still the IVL does look weak. Overall I'll probably stick with my IVL. Sure it's a bootleg but it's a direct DVD-9 copy so the same as the original.

Markgway wrote:That was part of the Dimension credits sequence.

Thanks. How is it placed into the film? Is it sometime of montage?

saltysam wrote:i used vlc media player to take the captures.

Thanks Salty. Can you add my captures please.

Does that add any effects/alterations of it's own?

Knetan · Post by **Knetan** » 07 Feb 2009, 12:32

hey,

Thanks. How is it placed into the film? Is it sometime of montage?

Hmm, possibly they did indeed do a small bit of montage but with inverted colours. Have only vague memories of it. Nothing appears before it and when it's done, Jackie pulls up on his motorcycle.

chenlung · Post by **chenlung** » 07 Feb 2009, 12:36

bradavon wrote:I prefer the DD due to it's stronger colours but am very dubious about this as it's clearly been contrasted boosted

DD looks stronger due to the contrast boosting, but the colours still look off.