Cub Tiger from Kwantung - any good?

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 25 Jun 2007, 13:36

I saw this in HMV released under the "Rarescope" label. This was Jackie's first real starring role in a movie right?
Is the film any good? The DVD apparently has the Mandarin version with subtitles.

http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/3358174/ ... chsource=0

I thought the film was from 1971?

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 25 Jun 2007, 14:04

Ain't it general consensus that all his lead role films prior to SITES are all shit?

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 25 Jun 2007, 14:08

A lot are shit. Not all, though.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 25 Jun 2007, 14:12

...such as?

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 25 Jun 2007, 14:19

"Snake & Crane Arts of Shaolin" & "Hand of Death" are pretty solid. I also liked "Half a Loaf of Kung Fu".

Shingster · Post by **Shingster** » 25 Jun 2007, 15:19

Spiritual Kung Fu is worth a watch as well (so long as you're a big JC fan).

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 25 Jun 2007, 15:19

I liked "Hand of Death" also, and "Shaolin Wooden Men" was pretty good.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 25 Jun 2007, 15:20

Shingster wrote:Spiritual Kung Fu is worth a watch as well (so long as you're a big JC fan).

Agreed.

Knetan · Post by **Knetan** » 25 Jun 2007, 15:28

hey,

fun to watch to see what the original film was before they cut and spliced to create Master With Cracked Fingers. Otherwise, generic.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 25 Jun 2007, 15:31

I'll give it a rental

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 25 Jun 2007, 15:46

I've always been quite fond of the Master With Cracked Fingers hack-job and have been looking forward to seeing the original film. Let us know what the DVD is like

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 25 Jun 2007, 15:47

Knetan wrote:hey,

fun to watch to see what the original film was before they cut and spliced to create Master With Cracked Fingers. Otherwise, generic.

This and Master With Cracked Fingers are the same film?

Knetan · Post by **Knetan** » 25 Jun 2007, 16:48

hey,

the "creators" of MASTER used CUB as it's template when they unearthed the film to capatalize on Jackie's success at Seasonal. They shoot new footage with Simon Yuen, Dean Shek and a new ending fight with a double (plus editing out a whole lot of course). Hence, another Drunken Master and Snake In The Eagle's Shadow, only worse.

CUB was first somehow unearthed by a Japanese company who put it out on dvd. Faded print, hard to read subs. Don't know if Rarescope are working from the same print.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 25 Jun 2007, 18:59

I think Cub Tiger was made about 1974.

Knetan · Post by **Knetan** » 25 Jun 2007, 19:04

hey,

I wrote 73 in my review, which makes this an example of how complex these matters can become.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 25 Jun 2007, 19:16

I'm not really sure.

Knetan · Post by **Knetan** » 25 Jun 2007, 19:23

hey,

before CUB even had its print made available, there was also rumours that the the film wasn't even finished....or was it that it was shelved?

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 25 Jun 2007, 20:54

It definetly got released back in the day - I've seen press materials and posters. The story of the non-release was spread by that faux-auto biography of Jackie

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 25 Jun 2007, 21:09

I Am Jackie Chan, yes?
According to IMDB, CUB has a production date of 1971.

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 25 Jun 2007, 21:19

73/74 is the attributed release date - never seen confirmation. He looks a little older than he did in Not Scared To Die, which was released in early 73.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 25 Jun 2007, 21:26

Doubt it's '71 then, not sure where IMDB got that from.
TOUCH OF ZEN was made between 1969-71 and not released til 1971 right? But the copyright date/production date or whatever is always given as 1969.

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 25 Jun 2007, 21:38

Touch Of Zen was released in November 1971. False dates for HK cinema are common.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 26 Jun 2007, 05:21

Was released in Taiwan in 1970 then over a year later in HK by which time it had been split into two parts (anything over 2 hrs gives HK theatre owners heart palpitations).

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 26 Jun 2007, 08:56

Oh right, 1970. Thanks!

On the subject of old Jackie, I actually enjoy all his Lo Wei efforts, though New Fist Of Fury is quite poor. Curiously, I find Jackie's directorial debut The Fearless Hyena to be weaker than the others! And I just love Snake & Crane Arts Of Shaolin.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 27 Jun 2007, 00:51

Hyena is the worst of Jackie's 70s films.