The Big Boss: HKL vs FOX

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 27 Sep 2006, 13:54

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grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 27 Sep 2006, 13:57

Does the Fox have the Mandarin trailer? (Thats where the topless Malalin shot is from right?)

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 27 Sep 2006, 14:36

The shot of the girl is from the main movie. I just felt like including a tit shot.

I'll check the trailer.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 27 Sep 2006, 14:37

D'oh, you're right is.

BTW the Fox is clearly better - less washed out and more natural looking.
You're keeping BOSS I guess?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 27 Sep 2006, 14:41

Yes, I'm keeping BOSS and FIST.

But GOD and GOD2 are free to go.

The trailer on the Fox is the Cantonese reissue trailer btw.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 27 Sep 2006, 14:43

Is the Mandarin mono alright? The Cantonese mono on IVL/FS sounds awful.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 27 Sep 2006, 14:48

The Mandarin Mono is good. Sounds like it's taken from vinyl - crackles and pops - but is clear. It's a treat to hear the original audio for the first time. You can even hear where some of the cuts were made. This is no downmix. My only gripe is that like most Fortune Star titles the sync slips now and then. Regardless, it's easily better quality than the tinny and muffled English 5.1 (which butchers the music score) and sub-par Cantonese 2.0 tracks.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 27 Sep 2006, 14:51

Ok, thanks. I may have to buy this then.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 27 Sep 2006, 15:15

OK fair enough Mark. I wish BOSS was sold seperately - oh well.

slasher13 · Post by **slasher13** » 27 Sep 2006, 15:19

Yup totally, the Fox is alot better than HKL. Is this version Boss from Bruce Lee Ultimate Collection? Click here

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 28 Sep 2006, 02:24

I'd love to see TBB in Mandarin. All the added cat-cries are quite annoying in the Cantonese dub, practically every movement Lee makes during the fights has a cat cry.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 28 Sep 2006, 03:10

Yes, it's the one from the Box Set.

I had to buy the box for only two films.

I waited ages to see if Fox would release them seperately, but no.

And HKL's Platinums are inferior, so...........

If anyone is interested in my GOD or GOD2 I can rustle up some caps. But only if you're really interested as I'm not bothered myself.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 28 Sep 2006, 08:20

Well, I guess £23.99 isn't too bad for 5 movies

But it is bad for one movie.

chenlung · Post by **chenlung** » 30 Sep 2006, 15:22

grim_tales wrote:Does the Fox have the Mandarin trailer? (Thats where the topless Malalin shot is from right?)

It ain't Malalene in the original trailer.

The HKL's colour correction is horrible unfortunately. The Fox one is easily the superior but one possible advantage HKL has is the lack of DVNR.

Yeah, even when Bruce breathes, there is a war-cry. What the fuck people see in them, I don't know (or any other overrated BL stuff).

If I ever get my advance HKL Platinum copy, I'll supply captures.

Is that ghosting I detect on Tony Liu's arm

?

Keung · Post by **Keung** » 30 Sep 2006, 15:26

Every character on the HKL print looks like a ghost!

slasher13 · Post by **slasher13** » 30 Sep 2006, 16:24

Oh yeah the Big Boss Plantium Version is going out soon, I wonder if it will top Fox version.. If anyone got it, or if HKL are kind enough to send it to Chenlung so he can supply caps

chenlung · Post by **chenlung** » 30 Sep 2006, 16:37

Seeing it doesn't have Mandarin mono or guaranteed non-tampered image, it won't. The only advantage will be progressive flagging.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 01 Oct 2006, 02:05

I think the Fox is interlaced and because of that there's some mild ghosting.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 01 Oct 2006, 02:23

Markgway wrote:I think the Fox is interlaced and because of that there's some mild ghosting.

Interlaced vs. not having Mandarin mono = Fox wins and HKL PE loses. The HKL PE extras sound shit as well. The PE commentary is reportedly very dry and boring.

chenlung · Post by **chenlung** » 01 Oct 2006, 09:42

lol I know the Fox wins, just saying regardless about the advantages of each release and not any victors 8) .

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 01 Oct 2006, 20:52

How can anyone pass judgement on a DVD that isn't even out yet is beyond me. The Fox TBB is only part of a box set which for me anyway means it loses oodles of points.

Clearly the FS Remaster is much, much better. I'll pick up the HKL PE at some point. I'm not paying full price on this one.

Any chance of a FOF comparison? I can include the HKL PE. I'd love to see a WOTD comparison more but Grim can't do captures. Does anyone else have the Fortune Star WOTD?

If you'd sold it to me Mark I'd have been able too

. I'd have paid £8 too

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 01 Oct 2006, 20:58

The sample of the new Big Boss commentary shown on the trailer is not promising. And failing to include the original language/score is ridiculous

chenlung · Post by **chenlung** » 01 Oct 2006, 21:09

bradavon wrote:How can anyone pass judgement on a DVD that isn't even out yet is beyond me. The Fox TBB is only part of a box set which for me anyway means it loses oodles of points.

No offense, but it's pretty obvious why we've downgraded it (the press release and the review from David R Gees).

No Mandarin.
No Bey Commentary.
Likely unrestored beginnings (Media Asia chopped them off for the sake of their precious introduction).
No full 5.1 remix (only likely downgraded from 5.1 to stereo) - not that I'm too bothered about it.
English soundtrack was probably not fixed up for the riverscene or sourced from the fully restored FS presentation (current DVD has damage).
Possible pinkification.

http://web12.dvd2web.de/alle.htm - BL comparisons here.

I can guarantee you there are pinkifications in FOF, it isn't just Mark 8) .

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 01 Oct 2006, 21:18

* Is there a 5.1 remix on the Fox? In Mandarin of course. The Fox doesn't have any commentary. So it's not a fair comparison if you include those.
* I presume you mean the title screen when you say no unrestored beginning? If so I couldn't give a fuck. It's a title screen!
* Possible pinkification - Just because of FOF does it doesn't mean TBB will.

Agreed the commentary is a concern but overall I'd say the PE is looking much better. Personally I'd prefer Mandarin but can live with Cantonese. The Fox looks like a cheap knock off and like I said crucially you have to get an entire box set to get it.

I'm already more than happy with HKL's FOF and GOD thanks. Their WOTD really needs fixing but I'm not getting a box set just for that one. The HKL PE of FOF is excellent, so what if it's a little pink (the excellent transfer otherwise, audio selection and extras more than make up for it). Mark is all wrong

Besides like I said a lot of this is being based on speculation than fact. I stand by passing judgement on what you "think" it will be like is stupid.

p.s - From what I can see of the spec. there is Cantonese soundtracks only.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 01 Oct 2006, 21:19

What review and who on earth is David R Gees? I apologise if someone has posted a link to a review. Where is it please?