Wong Kar-Wai boxset comparisons (TF1 vs Others)

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 09 May 2006, 14:11

A BnB member has asked me to re-post the comparisons I had done on my french thread, so here goes:

As Tears Go By

Region 1:

TF1:

Region 1:

TF1:

Region 1:

TF1:

Hard to find a winner.
Both DVDs are equally sharp and bright, but they have different colors.
R1 DVD has a blueish tint, TF1 has a greenish tint.
I think skin tones are a bit pinkish on the R1.

But knowing Wong Kar-Wai, it's hard to guess how he wanted this movie to look.

Days of Being Wild:

Different framing. TF1 DVD is window-boxed 1:66. Tartan DVD is 1:778.
Tartan DVD has a greenish tint. TF1 DVD has a blueish tint.

I think the Tartan DVD is slightly better, but I'm happy with my TF1.

ChungKing Express:

I'm not comfortable posting these pics here, since it has been proven that the DVD-Beaver caps I've used are inaccurate.

So, here are the links:

http://img218.echo.cx/img218/4597/ckexp17za.jpg

http://img180.echo.cx/img180/4528/ckexp20ol.jpg

Here's one that includes the new R2UK DVD:

TF1 picture is darker but colours are more vivid and sharpness is excellent.

Fallen Angels:

Kino vs TF1. TF1 is window-boxed and looks better.

Accent R4 vs TF1. TF1 looks good, but Accent looks awesome.

Accent R4 vs TF1. Same conclusion.

Ditto.

Ditto.

Happy Together:

This is a mini-comparison (done with the help of Running Man from the ADVDG forum).

Kino vs TF1:

TF1 looks way better.

Conclusion:
As always with TF1 discs, quality is not perfect but it's very good.

Days of Being Wild = Tartan has the edge because of the green filter.
ChungKing Express = I think that TF1 and R2UK are great.
Fallen Angels = Nothing can beat the R4.
Happy Together = French DVD looks great.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 09 May 2006, 14:35

Why is the Kino shot of Tony in black & white, while the TF1 is coloured?

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 09 May 2006, 14:37

The entire first scene of Happy Together is in black and white.
For some reason the first few shots are in colour on the french DVD (then it turns to black and white).

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 09 May 2006, 14:41

Agree with most of your summations, but would say that the R2UK cap for Chungking looks the best.

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 09 May 2006, 14:44

Does anybody have the Artificial Eye R2UK of ChungKing Express ?
I'd love to make a better comparison.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 09 May 2006, 14:53

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 09 May 2006, 15:01

Well, if you could post a few pics from the beginning and the end, I could match them with my TF1.

*Don't forget to deactivate deinterlacing and put all your picture enhancement settings to 0 (to make sure the caps are close to the original DVD).*

But I'm sure you know that already.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 09 May 2006, 16:19

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 09 May 2006, 16:45

Where did does that R2 UK cap come from.

DVDBeaver. Proves that those idiots don't know what they're doing.

ChungKing Express:

R2UK:

TF1:

R2UK:

TF1:

R2UK:

TF1:

R2UK:

TF1:

TF1 is cropped and has different colours.
It's slightly more detailed in some shots (look at the fan on the last shot).
Even if TF1 beats the R2UK in some shots, the AE is probably better overall.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 09 May 2006, 17:20

Tom2681 wrote:
Where did does that R2 UK cap come from.
DVDBeaver. Proves that those idiots don't know what they're doing.

Maybe we should make a dvdbeaver warning thread... I've personally lost money twice because of their manipulated screencaps.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 09 May 2006, 17:36

Good idea but only when we're sure the captures are wrong.

Any chance of adding some R1 caps? The R1's should beat the Tartan's.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 09 May 2006, 17:43

HungFist wrote:Maybe we should make a dvdbeaver warning thread... I've personally lost money twice because of their manipulated screencaps.

Which films?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 09 May 2006, 17:44

In every cap the UK is better than the French image.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 09 May 2006, 17:54

Markgway wrote:
HungFist wrote:Maybe we should make a dvdbeaver warning thread... I've personally lost money twice because of their manipulated screencaps.
Which films?

Love Letter (Iwai)
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcompare/loveletter.htm
Look at the caps. The R2J caps by Jeroen are correct. My R3KR caps are identical to his R2J caps. Somehow beaver's R3 KR caps look very different.

Kids Return:
" The Chinese bootleg is once again, as the other bootlegs, a copy from the Bandai DVD. It just looks great. If actually looks better than the Korean DVD. Look at the back of the boxer and the spots on the floor in image number five: The Korean DVD has a higher contrast level, which takes away detail."
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompar ... return.htm

The funny thing is, Bandai and the Korean dvd are identical (used to own them both, thanks to dvdbeaver)

+ Same with A Scene at the Sea. Beaver's R3KR caps are manipulated. I don't own the Korean dvd, but I've seen screencaps from it.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 09 May 2006, 17:54

The UK R2 for CKE looks very good and much better than what I have. But for what I paid the R1 will do.

Interestingly, on the R1 the line about "May likes the place because the manager says she looks like Demi Moore" is replaced with "May says I look like a Japanese star" (something like that).. not sure why.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 09 May 2006, 20:11

I'm just pleased Tom has fixed the capture size

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 10 May 2006, 14:02

Cheers Tom and Hungfist. If I hadn't loaned my ITMFL: Criterion to my brother, I could've posted some screenshots. I can provide captures of the R4 2046 though.

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 10 May 2006, 15:15

I can provide captures of the R4 2046 though.

Go ahead. I'll match'em with some TF1 caps.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 10 May 2006, 17:32

That I would REALLY like to see.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 10 May 2006, 19:03

Is anyone going to answer my question?

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 10 May 2006, 19:48

You need to ask one first

Oh that above, that looks more like a point then question. Sorry I don't know.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 10 May 2006, 20:04

I was just wondering why, thats right Brad.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 24 May 2006, 21:54

As Tears Go By Region 1 added. Over to you Tom.

Another point to prove the DVD Beaver guys don't know shit. Contrary to what they say the R1 like the Tartan is single layer.

It is a decent anamorphic, Cantonese stereo and remastered English subtitled DVD though. It's much better than the awful HK DVD (same goes for DOBW).

Captures are 720x408 from 720x480 as they look vertically stretched.

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 24 May 2006, 22:21

Thanks Brad.
Caps have been added.

BTW: Don't forget to resize them to 720x404 next time. 720x408 produces vertical stretching.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 24 May 2006, 22:32

No worries. All the bitching was doing my head in

, don't expect it to be a common thing it takes to long to create them but I will do that Musa R4 one.

The TF1 wins but there isn't much in it IMO. Wouldn't it have been better if you'd used 408 as I did?

I did ask what I should use and your answer was 720x that doesn't mean shit to me

. Blame Bisc. or whoever created the Res. Dogs "R2 UK Single Disc" captures I used those as a basis what to resize them to