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Posted: 25 May 2006, 13:45
by HungFist
Those screencaps are useful. But 10k bullets is the most unreliable review site I have ever seen

Posted: 25 May 2006, 14:52
by grim_tales
How come?
Of course Optimum will have the original music, not sure about title cards though (it depends what print they used).

Posted: 25 May 2006, 15:00
by Killer Meteor
10K gets things wrong like the Celestial mono thing I mentioned and their claim that the German Leone titles were progressive

Posted: 25 May 2006, 15:07
by HungFist
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10kbullets: "The source material used for this release is in great shape as the colors look nicely saturated and flesh tones look natural. There are no problems with artifacts or compression and edge enhancement is kept to a minimum. Overall details remain sharp and even at a distance."

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10kbullets: "Colors are lucid and flesh tones look healthy. Black levels are strong as there is an exceptional amount of detail in every frame."

Sorry for going a bit off topic

Posted: 25 May 2006, 15:15
by Markgway
Is that not more a case of inaccurate opinion from 10k rather than faulty screen caps?

The Optimum release looks signifcantly inferior to the IVL. How accurate those caps are I don't know...

Posted: 25 May 2006, 15:27
by HungFist
Those are my caps, not their. The second cap is from Grudge Song which was released about a month ago

But I don't mean to start any "I hate 10k bullets" conversation. I just wanted to point out that some of their reviews are not that reliable

Posted: 25 May 2006, 15:48
by bradavon
Markgway wrote:The Optimum release looks signifcantly inferior to the IVL. How accurate those caps are I don't know...
Caps only tell part of the story as you know.

It could still beat the IVL as that has a framing issue. Does this include AB captures? I'll check it out when I get home.

Posted: 25 May 2006, 15:53
by grim_tales
Does the HK IVL have the framing/freezing thing? TBH I didnt notice it AT ALL on my set but remember Romero (who was one of the first to mention this) had the Korean set not the HK set.

Posted: 25 May 2006, 16:31
by EvaUnit02
Brad, post some AB caps. I don't mind going through and matching frames w/ my IVLs.

Posted: 25 May 2006, 17:41
by bradavon
As Dave says that Optimum Asia DVD looks very much like my AB DVD and as I've not noticed the IVL's Framing Issue it's the clear winner for me.

A Bey Logan commentary isn't enough reason to upgrade.

I hear it's a problem on both. I'm sure Mark has the HK and has noticed it.

I can Eva BUT TBH I'm not making a habit of it, most of the comparisons so far don't have any real value apart from a quick look. Only LD is likely to buy German DVDs, only Tom and a few others the French DVD.

I did two last night and it took flipping ages, longer of course for the existing captures.

It would help if I knew where the dodgy frames in the IVL were? As it would be ideal to use those frames. I get them done later.

Posted: 26 May 2006, 01:33
by EvaUnit02
bradavon wrote:It would help if I knew where the dodgy frames in the IVL were? As it would be ideal to use those frames. I get them done later.
There were quite a few from when Mark is stealing the microfilm from the mob's counterfeiting facility.

Posted: 26 May 2006, 11:46
by bradavon
It's been a while roughly when does that happen? I'll get it actioned this w/e.

Posted: 26 May 2006, 14:42
by ericf
So, does the IVL have accurate, English, subtitles or the usual Engrish subtitles?
And can I still order it? I thought this was discontinued...

(P.S. It's only available together with The killer.)

ericf

Posted: 26 May 2006, 15:31
by bradavon
P.S. It's only available together with The killer.
The original box set contained ABT, ABT2 and ABT3. They then released it with The Killer.

From what I remember the subs were fine.

Posted: 26 May 2006, 17:54
by grim_tales
From what I remember the subs were based on the HK theatrical subs, but not too bad.

Posted: 26 May 2006, 22:01
by thelostdragon
I wouldn't get the IVL if you're a big fan of the first part. The freezing frames annoyed the piss out of me during the scene where Mark steals the recording and the finale.

Posted: 26 May 2006, 22:40
by bradavon
If the framing annoys you I guess this new R2 SE is the way to go.
thelostdragon wrote:annoyed the piss out of me
That sounds like something out of a Cronenberg film :D
during the scene where Mark steals the recording
When does that happen? So captures can be uploaded.

Posted: 27 May 2006, 00:35
by thelostdragon
LOL, captures of how the frame freezes?

Posted: 27 May 2006, 12:47
by bradavon
Well no silly but the time they occur can be given. I'd be able to actually spot them then too.

Posted: 27 May 2006, 13:24
by EvaUnit02
ericf wrote:So, does the IVL have accurate, English, subtitles or the usual Engrish subtitles?
They're serviceable. A bit Engrishy at times making some parts slightly difficult to understand, eg I struggled with Chow's award-winning monologue.

Posted: 27 May 2006, 13:46
by bradavon
So all this bitching but no one actually knows when the framing issues occur? It must be so annoying :roll: :wink:

Posted: 27 May 2006, 14:31
by HungFist
Every 5 minutes the image freezes for a short time. Sometimes it happens more often. It's unbelievably irritating when there's fast movement in the image and everything just freezes for a moment.

Posted: 27 May 2006, 15:05
by bradavon
Okay as I didn't spot it on my 28" CRT I want to see if I do now on my 32" LCD. I hear it's worst during the scene when Mark is stealing that counterfeit thingy. When does that happen? (in minutes please).

Posted: 27 May 2006, 16:37
by HungFist
I don't know about that, but I remember it being very noticable when Emily Chu accidentally breaks the car window. I'm not sure if I even watched the whole film through.

Sorry I can't give you any accurate times. I sold my IVL disc the same day I received it.

Posted: 27 May 2006, 20:09
by thelostdragon
Yep, it's really annoying. I only kept it because part 2 and 3 are fine discs.

Brad, making screenshots of every single time it happens, would mean to make like dozens of caps.