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Leftie ideologies with right wing action makes it look cooler.Markgway wrote:but an almost total mess, with muddled, extreme left politics that hypocritically advocate the very extreme right "solutions" (bombing, torture, and execution) the anti-heroes condemn from others. Bizarre.
No, it just makes it look stupid and inconsistant.bradavon wrote:Leftie ideologies with right wing action makes it look cooler.
I doubt opposing fascism is considered 'extreme left-wing'.Markgway wrote:V for Vendetta (2006-USA-UK-Germany) *½
Simple-minded, heavy-handed adaptation of Alan Moore's graphic novel (from the makers of The Matrix) is certainly interesting, but an almost total mess, with muddled, extreme left politics that hypocritically advocate the very extreme right "solutions" (bombing, torture, and execution) the anti-heroes condemn from others. Bizarre.
saltysam wrote:i liked V For Vendetta.good movie.
Have you seen the movie? It isn't merely about opposing facism - something any right-thinking person would support - but a celebration of anarchy as solution. The film starts with the Old Bailey being blown up and ends with the Houses of Parliment blown to smithereens - and this clearly meant to be a good thing. The terrorist wins. 'V' (our anti-hero) is every bit as violent and destructive as any boo! hiss! conservative-type; but it's OK because he likes gay people (the bit with Stephen Fry and the Quo'ran was truly risible... as if Islam is the defender of homosexuals(!).) 'V' doesn't change society through thought-provoking debate and reason, he slices throats and blows shit up. This is a dumb blockbuster masquerading as an intellectual think-piece. Even Alan Moore hated it for its dumbed-down distortion of his provocative ideas. We aren't allowed to question the morals of V's actions, the rights and wrongs of this society, as originally intended. What we get is one-dimensional panto-villains and a terrorist for a hero. Is 'V' any different than the 9/11 bombers? They felt justified in their actions... by any means necessary as long as it suits an ideology. And anyone who disagrees deserves to die. Left-wing terrorism equals good. Right wing terrorism equals bad. Simples. No balance, no ambiguity, just another mindless piece of Hollywood pap that thinks of itself as cutting edge but bears no realation to reality.Yi-Long wrote:I doubt opposing fascism is considered 'extreme left-wing'.
1: So because Islam isn't the defender of homosexuals, a gay character can't be a collector and mention that he has a rare quo'ran lying around!? Seriously!?Markgway wrote:Have you seen the movie? It isn't merely about opposing facism - something any right-thinking person would support - but a celebration of anarchy as solution. The film starts with the Old Bailey being blown up and ends with the Houses of Parliment blown to smithereens - and this clearly meant to be a good thing. The terrorist wins. 'V' (our anti-hero) is every bit as violent and destructive as any boo! hiss! conservative-type; but it's OK because he likes gay people (the bit with Stephen Fry and the Quo'ran was truly risible... as if Islam is the defender of homosexuals(!).) 'V' doesn't change society through thought-provoking debate and reason, he slices throats and blows shit up. This is a dumb blockbuster masquerading as an intellectual think-piece. Even Alan Moore hated it for its dumbed-down distortion of his provocative ideas. We aren't allowed to question the morals of V's actions, the rights and wrongs of this society, as originally intended. What we get is one-dimensional panto-villains and a terrorist for a hero. Is 'V' any different than the 9/11 bombers? They felt justified in their actions... by any means necessary as long as it suits an ideology. And anyone who disagrees deserves to die. Left-wing terrorism equals good. Right wing terrorism equals bad. Simples. No balance, no ambiguity, just another mindless piece of Hollywood pap that thinks of itself as cutting edge but bears no realation to reality.Yi-Long wrote:I doubt opposing fascism is considered 'extreme left-wing'.
You know perfectly well there's more to it than that. Nothing in this film is shown or said by accident. The only reference to Christianity is via a paedophile bishop... but Islam is admired for its poetry. Any conservative is an evil scumbag... etc. This film is about a subtle as a sledge hammer to the face.Yi-Long wrote:1: So because Islam isn't the defender of homosexuals, a gay character can't be a collector and mention that he has a rare quo'ran lying around!? Seriously!? It is there JUST to show that stuff like religion and homo-sexuality and lots of other 'controversial' stuff is banned from that society.
So is terrorism the answer like this film seems to think? It doesn't ASK the question... it TELLS us that it is. There's no doubt whatsoever that V is our saviour and if he deems it necessary to kill and bomb so be it. At no point are we meant to question if what he's doing may just be the teensiest bit immoral.You mention he doesn't win the people's support by debate and reason, but as you might have noticed, that society is already far past that point where that would be possible without getting 'removed' from society. Hence the story about protesters being dragged out of their houses.
Is that a quote from Osama Bin Laden? Just wondering...At some point, 'terrorism' is the only solution left to fight the oppression, cause all other options have already been wiped off the table by those who oppress!
Apparently you got a huge pro-islam message from this movie, which I seemed to have missed somehow...Markgway wrote:You know perfectly well there's more to it than that. Nothing in this film is shown or said by accident. The only reference to Christianity is via a paedophile bishop... but Islam is admired for its poetry. Any conservative is an evil scumbag... etc. This film is about a subtle as a sledge hammer to the face.Yi-Long wrote:1: So because Islam isn't the defender of homosexuals, a gay character can't be a collector and mention that he has a rare quo'ran lying around!? Seriously!? It is there JUST to show that stuff like religion and homo-sexuality and lots of other 'controversial' stuff is banned from that society.
The movie shows the people understanding the actions V does, and thus it's an accepted answer to that society. And he goes after those who oppress others, and are responsible for much suffering. Nothing wrong with that. Most movies are following that same premise of 'an eye for an eye'.So is terrorism the answer like this film seems to think? It doesn't ASK the question... it TELLS us that it is. There's no doubt whatsoever that V is our saviour and if he deems it necessary to kill and bomb so be it. At no point are we meant to question if what he's doing may just be the teensiest bit immoral.You mention he doesn't win the people's support by debate and reason, but as you might have noticed, that society is already far past that point where that would be possible without getting 'removed' from society. Hence the story about protesters being dragged out of their houses.
[/quote]Is that a quote from Osama Bin Laden? Just wondering...At some point, 'terrorism' is the only solution left to fight the oppression, cause all other options have already been wiped off the table by those who oppress!
Hardly... I singled out one scene. Where do I mention Islam in relation to anything else?Yi-Long wrote:Apparently you got a huge pro-islam message from this movie, which I seemed to have missed somehow...
Yahoo. There we go. I wondered how long it would take for someone to invoke a 'phobia' or an 'ism'. Right on cue. You guys are nothing if not predictible.Perhaps you're overexaggerating due to some islam-phobia, seeing stuff that isn't there?
Read between the lines... besides that's ONE scene. The whole movie is leftist. It's blatantly obvious... I'm not imagining it.Somehow it's left-wing propaganda when a character in the movie mentions the Koran has some nice poetry in it, which has been banned...!?
Why that book? They could have mentioned anything controversial if the sole point was about banning things. The Quo'ran was used specifically to illustrate a political point about how nasty right-wingers want to ban that particular book. It's frustrating explaining this to you because I know you already know this.It just explains why the guy likes the book, mentioning something positive about it to kinda oppose the banning of the book...
So the answer to political oppression is terrorism. Who gets to decide when a people are being oppressed? Who appointed V their saviour? What about those who don't subscribe to his actions? Is there a movement for political change or is V the ONLY person in the ENTIRE land who cares? The movie doesn't deal in any of this because it's simple-minded and there's no way the makers of The Matrix were going to sacrifice the opportunity to blow up parliment.The movie shows the people understanding the actions V does, and thus it's an accepted answer to that society.
Most movies don't take themselves so seriously and think themselves profound.Most movies are following that same premise of 'an eye for an eye'.
I didn't.luckystars wrote:Mark that's fairly shocking you likening V to the 7/7 bombers.
Now that you mention it... how many innocent people does V murder throughout the film? Let's leave aside the fingermen because they're obviously nasty arseholes who deserve to die. He kills ordinary police just doing their job. Don't they count? What about collateral damage from the bombings? Is that OK?You don't see the difference between V vs. the 'baddie' state, as opposed suicide bombers specifically targeting innocent people on a packed train?
Agreed. I still quite liked it though but I did see it on a flight, so choice was an issue.Markgway wrote:G.I. Joe: The Rise of the Cobra (2009-USA) *½
A preposterous, numbingly stupid, overblown CGI train wreck.
You could've always grabbed a parachute and ejected...bradavon wrote:I still quite liked it though but I did see it on a flight, so choice was an issue.
