God!

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 05 Dec 2006, 10:18

Thanks Grim. I just hope [whisper]most people got the point about kids not caring a great deal about religion and instead wanting to know more about sex at that age.[/whisper] Or was it just me?

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 05 Dec 2006, 10:19

And there we go. I've sullied another perfectly legitimate thread with talk about sex

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 05 Dec 2006, 10:40

I think this should be moved to Debate, no?

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 05 Dec 2006, 15:15

Yeah, seriously.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 05 Dec 2006, 15:19

at that picture.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 05 Dec 2006, 17:24

bradavon wrote:Okay I probably put it badly. I'll try again. When your child is growing up and asks questions about religion, what are you going to tell them? To go and read read a book?

I'll answer any specific questions they have. But I won't set out an agenda for it.

And what about day to day life by not telling them anything (i.e - as most people do in today's society) you're inadvertently teaching them to be non-believers. I'm not explaining myself very well.

No they can decide for themselves when they're mature enough to understand the texts. I'm not going to tell them what to think.

If you're not taught when you grow up to believe as you correctly say it's unlikely you will later believe ergo without knowing it your kid will likely not believe without any decision of his own. That was my point. Am I making sense?

Lol, no, you really lost me on that last quote.

To an extent but I'd also say anyone who is a non-believer is also by their very nature ignorant in the religion and therefore isn't really equipped to give a true judgement.

I wouldn't describe myself as ignorant of religion. I wouldn't be against it if I didn't know what it was about. And that's what I'm saying I wouldn't teach my kids to be for or against religion. It's something they have to find out themselves if they wish not be taught.

I'd say it's more the usual case of Muslims vocally disagreeing so as you say their kids can opt out but white kids as you put it their parents just being quite as lumping it OR probably more likely their parents not having a problem with it.

So you're saying that a. white parents are passive and b. Muslim parents are biggoted?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 05 Dec 2006, 17:25

grim_tales wrote:Didn't you have to sing religion type songs in assembly at primary school Mark?

Yes, I didn't know any better. They get you when you're young you see! :twisted:

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 05 Dec 2006, 17:27

Neither did I then in that case. Was yours a secular school? Mine was (AFAIK).

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 05 Dec 2006, 17:27

I'm not an atheist btw.

And lol at Kurgan and his sex mad brain.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 05 Dec 2006, 18:10

But how does RE teach you to be "for" or "against" religion? It just tells you what it about

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 05 Dec 2006, 18:21

I just don't believe it should be compulsory.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, guys.

Shen · Post by **Shen** » 05 Dec 2006, 18:54

i did opt out of R.E. though i didnt leave the class i sat and read books most of the time. for my school we were taught only about christianity, i had already studied religion in my own time and could contradict the teacher with various questions and answers about the bible. in the end i got bored and decided that it was best that i paid no attention, instead i read books by jiddu krishnamurti and zachria sitchin. if they'd have taught pther religions then sure i'd have joined in but they didnt. but it wasnt until year 10 that i finally realized i could refuse to participate...

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 05 Dec 2006, 19:19

R.E. was forced on us at school and I hated all that crap, tales of pure fantasy told to us as pure fact, what a total load of bollocks. Yet some people beleve it. Its fiction and pointless telling children about it at all, it has no place in schools.

R.E. Retarded Education.

Shen · Post by **Shen** » 05 Dec 2006, 19:21

and its their right to believe it if they so wish without ridicule from people who dont believe...

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 05 Dec 2006, 19:30

Yes they can beleve it all they want, but its not eduction at all it isnt history even most the time, history is of events that happened, not made up tales to keep common people in line.

Why not teach the evils of the devil cults? or the insanity of the other myths as a class subject? becuase Religion has braiwashed most the world thats why. Its like fags, they wont be banned becuase the government makes cash from them, same as Religion its a multi billion pound bussiness, and the more they Recruit the more cash the big wigs get and the more they brainwash.

But hey I better shut up now as Its a silly subject to even talk about and I should know better

but I will keep trying to stop evil parents forcing the Passion on their kids, or reccomend them some better slasher films with full on gore, let them watch the hardcore zombie films as hell they are rated 18 they must be ok for kids too and they are as real to life as The Passion ever will be.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 05 Dec 2006, 19:33

Markgway wrote:And lol at Kurgan and his sex mad brain.

You know that study that determined men think about sex every 8 seconds or so, on average? I'm the guy that brought that down by a whole two seconds.

I've got to say, I had a really different experience to the one that Romero recounts. We were never forced to believe in anything that was told to us. We were just educated about the major belief systems that are held around the world.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 05 Dec 2006, 19:52

The sad thing is I have nasty memories of R.E.
For instance I still remember asking quetions to the teacherand regulary getting wrong for doing so!!

like It would take thousands of people many years to make the Ark, and even then the food the animals would need and the wood to make the Ark would be massive, I was told to get out and stay in the corridor and feel like a dick, all for even asking questions that are things I thought becuase the silly stories obviously make no sense at all to anyone with a brain and any sense of reality. Thats pathetic and that "teacher" in my eyes now deserves to be sacked, or beaten.

Still I know the situation now has changed, its all legal shit now sadly and you cannot say anything without either you or the teacher getting on the news are making cash from court cases.

Its still not a school subject at all, its not like English, or maths, they are real, Religion should be a section of English under fiction as a lot of it is pure made up story stuff, as hell no one can beleve all that.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 05 Dec 2006, 21:08

You've made some fair points Romero about what is written literally in the bible but what about the karma and well being it brings to millions of people? To their daily lives and especially when a loved one does, it helps them get trough it.

If it helps them through it them let them get on with it I say.

You're taking religion as if it's just words on a page when it's something considerably larger and far more complicated than you're making out.

I'm sure if an intelligent Christian sat down he/she would come to the same conclusion as you over Noah's ark but then like I said that doesn't immediately mean the entire religion should be abandoned just because aspects when scientifically analysed don't add up.

For my money, atheism is as 'bad' as religion. Both adhere to a finality and dogma and therefore an inherent lack of movement from a held position. Agnosticism is the way to go. I'm not saying that one should have c'est la vie or que sera sera as one's mottos for life (although as mottos go, those aren't too bad), but you should accept that you can't possibly know the nature of God, but that we're all here for a better reason than a giant series of massive flukes.

Agreed.

As for the sex mad stuff:

So you're saying that a. white parents are passive and b. Muslim parents are biggoted?

How do you come to the conclusion I said Muslim parents are bigoted? But yes I am saying many white parents are passive. If we have to bring colour into a non-colour debate.

but it wasnt until year 10 that i finally realized i could refuse to participate...

I wouldn't have been allowed to not-partake. I was happy to mind you, except for hymn practise which I did try to get out of but couldn't.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 05 Dec 2006, 23:50

bradavon wrote:I'm sure if an intelligent Christian sat down he/she would come to the same conclusion as you over Noah's ark

I wouldn't be so sure. Religious fanatics refuse blind to question anything about their faith. I would at least have respect for those who do.

How do you come to the conclusion I said Muslim parents are bigoted? But yes I am saying many white parents are passive. If we have to bring colour into a non-colour debate.

Well, you're saying that white kids should be taught RE, but that it's OK for Muslim parents to opt out. Is that not what you meant? If not, please clarify.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 06 Dec 2006, 00:03

I can't fathom how you came to that conclusion when I already replied to your previous statement saying it's racist.

But anyway what I said was it's more "likely" Muslim parents would speak out and ergo get their kid removed, whereas non-Christian (the white word really isn't applicable) parents would lump it and say "it's good for you son/daughter", to not cause trouble.

For example: Muslims threatened to murder those Danish journalists who wrote that comic book whereas Christians who complained about that Jerry Springer show held up some plaques, complained a bit then went home for their coco. I know not a perfect example but you get the idea.

Just in my experience anyway.

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 06 Dec 2006, 00:11

Weird I hadnt noticed this discussion earlier...

Anyway, I'm also not planning on getting into a big discussion, as you will just have the people saying there is no God, and people who say there is.

Personally, I'm not religious. I think it's human nature to believe in 'something higher', in order to deal with certain questions, dillemas, situations, etc etc...

Which is fine. People can believe anything they want, as long as they don't force their thoughts onto other people.

Muhammad Ali said it best: there is only one true, universal religion, and that's LOVE.

I dont think you have to be religious to be a good person. Nor do I think you have to be an atheist to be a sane person.

Most religious people use their faith as a guideline to live a good live.
Only a certain few are way too fanatical about it, and since these are the people who will usually be in the headlines, they are the ones who give (their) religion a bad reputation.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 06 Dec 2006, 00:25

Yi-Long wrote:Weird I hadnt noticed this discussion earlier...

That's because it wasn't here earlier

. Grim suggested it be split from:

https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... php?t=2755

So that's just what I did.

Yi-Long wrote:Most religious people use their faith as a guideline to live a good live.

Only a certain few are way too fanatical about it, and since these are the people who will usually be in the headlines, they are the ones who give (their) religion a bad reputation.

Well said.

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 06 Dec 2006, 00:37

bradavon wrote:
Yi-Long wrote:Weird I hadnt noticed this discussion earlier...
That's because it wasn't here earlier . Grim suggested it be split from:

https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... php?t=2755

So that's just what I did.

Aw oki, that makes sense

Well done

Yi-Long wrote:Most religious people use their faith as a guideline to live a good live.

Only a certain few are way too fanatical about it, and since these are the people who will usually be in the headlines, they are the ones who give (their) religion a bad reputation.
Well said.

Thank you. I try

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 06 Dec 2006, 16:54

Debate on the subject is pointless most the time

still its always nice to read other opnions I guess, even if I dont agree, if anything it gets you reading and at least thinking about something to work your brain a little

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 06 Dec 2006, 17:01

romerojpg wrote:Debate on the subject is pointless most the time still its always nice to read other opnions I guess, even if I dont agree, if anything it gets you reading and at least thinking about something to work your brain a little

Unlike books ofcourse, as they're all crap