Bullets 'n' Babes

Shing is right - Bruce's dojo outfit has become navy blue. Thats as bad as his hair turning brown in the HKL CE.

i've never owned the FS release-i have the hkl PE and can only say to my eyes when watching side by side the the BD is FAR superior resolution wise.i did say in my initial comments on viewing that TBB was far better and it is.after watching it i could never go back to the HKL.however there is no doubt there is a better version of FOF to be done one day.obviously i was wrong about the FS DVD/BD using the same transfer,the BD certainly does seem to have much more in the way of picture information,certainly on the sides.

I'll give the BD resolution (natch) and framing (a sliver more info on all four sides) points... but otherwise the Fortune Star DVD is far better and for its medium probably the best the film could look.

The BD is vertically squeezed (see Bruce look fat!)
It has an ugly green tint (the FS has a mild green tint)
The colours are buggered (look at Wei Ping-Ao's suit)
The image appears covered in a misty haze
The contrasts are off and blacks seriously impure.

I'm hardly an AV expert but those flaws are glaringly obvious.

Agreed, the BD looks way too green and also there's a filter/haze over it.

Caps only tell part of the story imo...the final verdict should be always be made with one's own eyes at home for example as horrendous as the HKL Pink version looks in those caps when viewing at home it's absolutely nowhere near as bad as those caps make it look..

grim_tales wrote:Agreed, the BD looks way too green and also there's a filter/haze over it.

yet when the initial 720p rip caps went up you said....

grim_tales wrote:Those captures look very good to me

Thats the original CE version though, not the PE.

grim_tales wrote:Thats the original CE version though, not the PE.

what are you on about?

720p caps not HKL caps!

saltysam wrote:Caps only tell part of the story imo...the final verdict should be always be made with one's own eyes at home

When a cheaper version comes along. I'll get FOF.

saltysam wrote:for example as horrendous as the HKL Pink version looks in those caps when viewing at home it's absolutely nowhere near as bad as those caps make it look..

Definitely. The HKL PEs also look a lot better to the CEs, neither PE is up at DVD Beaver.

There's no need for the Sam, I'm just saying the HKL CE is a different transfer than the PE. Plat. Ed looks much better.

saltysam wrote:Caps only tell part of the story imo...the final verdict should be always be made with one's own eyes at home

Yeah, but who wants to waste cash on something that looks ropey in caps just to see if it's truly as ropey in motion? lol. Caps may not be 100% accurate to the playing experience but they don't exactly lie do they? There's no way that BD transfer is anything other than subpar. We don't need to buy it to be sure.

saltysam wrote:i've never owned the FS release-i have the hkl PE and can only say to my eyes when watching side by side the the BD is FAR superior resolution wise.

Ah right, I was confused by this quote:

saltysam wrote:Well it looks like the BD has been struck from the same Fortune Star master to me....much better resolution on the blu-ray.

I agree there's a big difference between the BD and the ultra-soft HKL DVD, the difference is much less pronounced when comparing to the FS DVD though.

grim_tales wrote:There's no need for the Sam, I'm just saying the HKL CE is a different transfer than the PE. Plat. Ed looks much better.

Err no Grim...i quoted you referring to the initial 720p caps of FOF BD looking very good then criticising them a few pages later...i'm not quite sure why you keep quoting HKL....that's not what you were saying looked very good a few pages back it was the BD rip caps lol

Markgway wrote:

saltysam wrote:Caps only tell part of the story imo...the final verdict should be always be made with one's own eyes at home

Yeah, but who wants to waste cash on something that looks ropey in caps just to see if it's truly as ropey in motion? lol. Caps may not be 100% accurate to the playing experience but they don't exactly lie do they? There's no way that BD transfer is anything other than subpar. We don't need to buy it to be sure.

Fair enough Mark we all have our own opinions,i guess i'm easily pleased...i don't consider i've wasted any cash as this is the only version of FOF i'll be watching until a better release arrives....and caps must lie...Grim went from page 4 saying the caps were very good to saying they were crap by page 8

You people are making this all too difficult for yourselves. Look at the caps, look at the live video, look at the reviews. Oh, no, no. Look at the audio listing. No mono. Go back to your IVL / HKL editions and live happily ever after.

HungFist wrote:You people are making this all too difficult for yourselves. Look at the caps, look at the live video, look at the reviews. Oh, no, no. Look at the audio listing. No mono. Go back to your IVL / HKL editions and live happily ever after.

Mono should be on there but i'm not losing any sleep over the fact that it's not.....it's the lack of the english dub that's pissing me off

saltysam wrote:

grim_tales wrote:There's no need for the Sam, I'm just saying the HKL CE is a different transfer than the PE. Plat. Ed looks much better.

Err no Grim...i quoted you referring to the initial 720p caps of FOF BD looking very good then criticising them a few pages later...i'm not quite sure why you keep quoting HKL....that's not what you were saying looked very good a few pages back it was the BD rip caps lol

They weren't the same caps though, in your caps I thought they looked fine

Is the sound mix on the Blu-Rays the same as the IVL's etc?

i.e. cartoony sounding new foley added to the fights.

grim_tales wrote:
They weren't the same caps though, in your caps I thought they looked fine

if the transfer looks green in 1080p it'll look green in a 720p mkv rip cap Grim :lol:anyway i'm sticking with my Rank pre-cert vhs.

Fair enough

Shingster wrote:I agree there's a big difference between the BD and the ultra-soft HKL DVD, the difference is much less pronounced when comparing to the FS DVD though.

From the HKL perspective they're not fair comparisons, given that HKL re-released both with much better transfers.

saltysam wrote:and caps must lie...Grim went from page 4 saying the caps were very good to saying they were crap by page 8

I'd give FOF BD a try for sure if it wasn't so expensive, around £13-15 yes but not £20. For a film like FOF I'm more than happy to risk seeing it for myself. TBB I'm happy with the HKL PE DVD. It's not one of Bruce's best.

bradavon wrote:
TBB I'm happy with the HKL PE DVD. It's not one of Bruce's best.

The Big Boss is a towering achievement,a seminal film and certainly one of the greatest films ever committed to celluloid...i live in hope that the holy grail of HK films,a longer,uncut version finally surfaces! any release date for Way yet

saltysam wrote:The Big Boss is a towering achievement,a seminal film and certainly one of the greatest films ever committed to celluloid..

Not in my opinion, not at all. Most of the film is average to dull.

bradavon wrote:

saltysam wrote:The Big Boss is a towering achievement,a seminal film and certainly one of the greatest films ever committed to celluloid..

Not in my opinion, not at all. Most of the film is average to dull.

Well,forgive me if i don't bow to your wrong opinion.tell me,why on earth do you own a film you consider is mostly average to dull for someone who is always talking about cutting his collection down to be keeping a film you don't like seems utterly bizarre

The ending is very good, you have a point though.