The Official "Dragon Dynasty" Thread!

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 22 Feb 2008, 17:47

Fair enough. I didn't know. I've never heard Maggie Cheung actually pronounced and the trailers for Zhang Ziyi are all Western so that may not help.

I didn't know Zhang and Cheung were the same. Is Cheung Cantonese? Speaking of the lovely Zhang Ziyi she sure gets around:

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 22 Feb 2008, 18:10

Cheung is Cantonese, yes (I imagine so anyway)

Shingster · Post by **Shingster** » 22 Feb 2008, 19:05

Jesus christ, you guys have been watching HK films for how many years now and you still don't know how to differentiate between Mandarin and Cantonese names?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 22 Feb 2008, 19:12

tom2681 wrote:@Brad:
Maggie Cheung is pronounced Maggie Jung (as in "jungle").
And since Zhang is the mandarin spelling of Cheung, I thought that might be right.

For Maggie Cheung it's Jerng (with almost silent 'r')

The problem with Zhang is the way it's pronounced actually sounds like 'Jong' 'Jung' or 'Jang' depending on how YOU pronounce those words.

Listen here: http://www.ctcfl.ox.ac.uk/Sound%20files/zhang1.wav

Hearing it again makes me think (from my perspective) 'Jang' is the most accurate romanization.

Here's a useful guide:

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Ginza/39 ... darin.html

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 23 Feb 2008, 00:02

Sorry guys but I hear a Z not J sound. As in Zang not Jung Yiyi. I'm specifically talking about an English pronunciation, not a Chinese pronunciation which interests me not.

It's the same when I hear Thai pronunciation. I'm interested in how I'd pronounce it if it it was an English word, that's how it makes sense to me.

Shingster wrote:Jesus christ, you guys have been watching HK films for how many years now and you still don't know how to differentiate between Mandarin and Cantonese names?

Funny the last time I checked subtitles didn't help much in this respect

We all don't read "The Mandarin and Cantonese Encyclopaedia" of the world.

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 23 Feb 2008, 00:36

Yeah it's a Z-sound, or a TS-sound.
Tsang Tsi-yi.

I wonder is she's met Edison yet.

Shingster · Post by **Shingster** » 23 Feb 2008, 01:31

bradavon wrote:Funny the last time I checked subtitles didn't help much in this respect

We all don't read "The Mandarin and Cantonese Encyclopaedia" of the world.

Funny, last time I checked a 5 year old could tell the difference between a Mandarin name and Canto name once they've had enough exposure to various examples. I'm more shocked that Grim didn't know the difference though, it was a given you wouldn't know because you're an ignorant dipshit.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 23 Feb 2008, 03:12

I see the personal insults have start up again Shingster

, you show so much intelligence and maturity throwing out under hand insults like that.

Just because you're an expert it doesn't mean most people are. I doubt many 5 year olds (who aren't Chinese) could tell the difference.

Yi-Long wrote:I wonder is she's met Edison yet.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 23 Feb 2008, 10:36

I know the difference between Cantonese and Mandarin names Shing

I just didn't know Cheung = Zhang!

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 23 Feb 2008, 12:12

grim_tales wrote:I know the difference between Cantonese and Mandarin names Shing I just didn't know Cheung = Zhang!

I didnt know you were 5, Grim.

That could explain why you are having some problems finding a girlfriend. You might still have cooties

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 23 Feb 2008, 13:05

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 23 Feb 2008, 13:55

bradavon wrote:Sorry guys but I hear a Z not J sound. As in Zang not Jung Yiyi. I'm specifically talking about an English pronunciation, not a Chinese pronunciation which interests me not.

Are you deaf? That doesn't sound in the slightest like a 'Z' sound(!)

'Ch' fair enough, as the 'J' and 'Ch' sounds are near enough interchangable.

But 'Z'? No way.

Call her ZANG ZEE YEE if you wish - but you're wrong.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 23 Feb 2008, 13:57

Yi-Long wrote:Yeah it's a Z-sound, or a TS-sound.
Tsang Tsi-yi.

The 'Ts' in Cantonese sounds like 'Ch'.

Tsang is like Chang (if you had a slight lisp).

http://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/Lexis/C ... /cang4.wav

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 23 Feb 2008, 14:05

I'm talking about TS how we, in England and Holland, would pronounce it.

Tsang Tsee-Yee. Or very maybe Dsang Zee Yee, because the T isnt as heavily pronounced as a hard T, but more as a softer T.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 23 Feb 2008, 14:08

OK, lol. I think we're getting confused now. Not that I live in England...

'Jang Tzuh Ee' is what I'm sticking with... you guys get your own. 8)

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 23 Feb 2008, 14:19

Jang, is that like a soft J? as in Yes? Or a J as in Jason. WHich would bth be wrong btw

Tzuh!? Maybe. Perhaps in mandarin, but probably not in cantonese.
Id go for Tzee or Tze myself.

Ee is ok

Ow yeah, you're scottish. So it actually doesnt really matter if you know how to pronounce it or not, cause we cant even understand you guys when you speak 'english', so let's not even try speaking chinese

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 23 Feb 2008, 15:08

We've just wasted 3 pages trying to guess how a chick's name should be pronounced.
How empty are our lives?

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 23 Feb 2008, 15:31

tom2681 wrote:We've just wasted 3 pages trying to guess how a chick's name should be pronounced.
How empty are our lives?

So far, this has been the higlight of 2008 for me...

Shingster · Post by **Shingster** » 23 Feb 2008, 17:42

grim_tales wrote:I know the difference between Cantonese and Mandarin names Shing I just didn't know Cheung = Zhang!

I apologise for dragging you down to Bradavon's level then.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 23 Feb 2008, 17:53

Thank you

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 23 Feb 2008, 18:42

Yi-Long wrote:Jang, is that like a soft J? as in Yes? Or a J as in Jason. WHich would bth be wrong btw

There's a 'J' sound in Yes? Since when?
No, not like Jason. 'J' so that it almost sounds like 'Ch'.

Tzuh!? Maybe. Perhaps in mandarin, but probably not in cantonese.

In Cantonese it would be different, of course.

Roughly 'Jerng Jee Yee'

Ow yeah, you're scottish. So it actually doesnt really matter if you know how to pronounce it or not, cause we cant even understand you guys when you speak 'english', so let's not even try speaking chinese

Lol. Awa'n bile yer heed!

To us all Dutch people sound like Paul Verhoeven.

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 23 Feb 2008, 18:51

Markgway wrote:
Yi-Long wrote:Jang, is that like a soft J? as in Yes? Or a J as in Jason. WHich would bth be wrong btw
There's a 'J' sound in Yes? Since when?
No, not like Jason. 'J' so that it almost sounds like 'Ch'.

Well... in holland, our J's are pretty soft. My name is Jeroen, but if I would pronounce it, you guys would hear Ye (as in yeah)-Roon So when I say soft J, I mean a Y , so to me, it's a bit confusing when people say it's spoken with a J, while it's a J as in Jason as apposed to a J as in Jeroen (Yeah-Roon)

To us all Dutch people sound like Paul Verhoeven.

That cant be good.

Luckily, I'm pretty good with accents, so I would probably be able to fake an american accent, thus disguising my own accent.
I can also do eastern-european accents and stuff, which I used sometimes to trick classmates about me not actually being from Holland

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 23 Feb 2008, 19:26

Yi-Long wrote:That could explain why you are having some problems finding a girlfriend.

Isn't that a little harsh?

Markgway wrote:Are you deaf? That doesn't sound in the slightest like a 'Z' sound(!)

Nope. My eyesight used to be very poor but dead I am not.

I don't hear a CH or J sound but a Z sound. I did say I'm basing this on Western Trailers remember.

tom2681 wrote:We've just wasted 3 pages trying to guess how a chick's name should be pronounced.
How empty are our lives?

I know

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 23 Feb 2008, 20:28

Yi-Long wrote:Well... in holland, our J's are pretty soft. My name is Jeroen, but if I would pronounce it, you guys would hear Ye (as in yeah)-Roon So when I say soft J, I mean a Y , so to me, it's a bit confusing when people say it's spoken with a J, while it's a J as in Jason as apposed to a J as in Jeroen (Yeah-Roon)

Lol. I see. In that case no.

Not 'J' as in the Dutch 'J'.

'J' as in almost-like 'Ch' (and I assume for Brits and Dutch that's the same).

Luckily, I'm pretty good with accents, so I would probably be able to fake an american accent, thus disguising my own accent. I can also do eastern-european accents and stuff, which I used sometimes to trick classmates about me not actually being from Holland

I can do a reasonable American accent. Could fool any European but maybe not an actual American. Not sure I could narrow my accent down to a specific state. Maybe Noo Yawk but that's about it - if that. East European? Forget it.

chenlung · Post by **chenlung** » 23 Feb 2008, 20:29

bradavon wrote:
Yi-Long wrote:That could explain why you are having some problems finding a girlfriend.
Isn't that a little harsh?

Yeah, take it easy man

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Anyway, I believe it's 'Jtsang Zi-Yi'

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