Mark's Questions on HD!

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 04 Dec 2007, 21:38

for me firstly if the BD was region locked i'd go for the hd-dvd,this would allow me to also watch on the 360 hd-dvd player. if the Blu-ray is region coded then it would come down to price. i now own more blu-ray's than hd-dvds.but having 2 ps3's in the household means the region coding can piss me off at times.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 04 Dec 2007, 22:40

How many of your BDs are Region Locked, compared with how many that aren't?

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 05 Dec 2007, 16:39

bradavon wrote:How many of your BDs are Region Locked, compared with how many that aren't?

i have 50 blu-ray discs. 27 are region-free, 23 are region locked A.which is 23 too many in my book.and if sony wins it'll get a lot worse.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 05 Dec 2007, 19:59

WOW that's some ratio. Are they all from a couple of companies?

Interestingly Sony only really use regional coding on North American BDs. If that continues it won't matter much, for me anyway.

I'd guess some European hacker will come up with a way to break BD regional coding but when is anyone's guess.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 05 Dec 2007, 20:40

bradavon wrote:WOW that's some ratio. Are they all from a couple of companies?

Sony,Lionsgate,Fox are the main culprits.a couple of disney/miramax as well.

bradavon wrote:Interestingly Sony only really use regional coding on North American BDs. If that continues it won't matter much, for me anyway.

they apply it now and again on european BD. if blu-ray ever takes off properly and sees off hd-dvd,new companies will release cool region B titles so it could become a problem. dvd will far outperform both hd formats for years to come though.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 05 Dec 2007, 21:34

You must be a big fan of their movies

. How many HD-DVDs do you own?

if blu-ray ever takes off properly and sees off hd-dvd,new companies will release cool region B titles so it could become a problem.

Maybe, but just as likely it continues as it is now for the foreseeable future.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 05 Dec 2007, 21:42

bradavon wrote:You must be a big fan of their movies .

not particularly, apart from those companies there aren't many others releasing on blu-ray.i have a few warner titles and a deltamac.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 05 Dec 2007, 22:47

Of the 10 BDs I'm interested in/have most are from Warner and only two thankfully are Region A (Disney: The Prestige, Sony: Volver).

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 06 Dec 2007, 16:35

i thought you wanted Die Hard 1. that's region A coded. tbh if there are only 10 movies on blu-ray you want i'd stick with dvd

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 06 Dec 2007, 18:10

bradavon wrote:
saltysam wrote:My set is a 40' 1080i set, i suspect 1080p would be minimally better but it'd be very hard to tell.
I hear not. Why do you say that? It's some increase jump in resolution.

A 1080i image is interlaced and has to be downconverted to 1368x768 or whatever resolution of HD Ready TVs is too.

There is not resolution jump at all between 1080i and p. Its still 1080 lines.

and

1080 is 1080, not 768 as you just said.

There is pretty much no noticable difference bwteeen 1080i and p, pretty much anyone normal would not seen anything at all in any way. Even I cannot and I am very picky.

If you had a gigantic 80 inch plasma, then you may see a differnece, anything smaller many pros cannot see anything, so you would not see anything I am sure of that.

You just said you dont see any difference between 720 and 1080, so the chances you would see the difference between i and p is pretty much not gonna happen.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 06 Dec 2007, 18:24

romerojpg wrote:There is not resolution jump at all between 1080i and p. Its still 1080 lines.

I meant from 720p, that and 1080i is interlaced which counts for a lot. The point is a HD Ready LCD TV cannot display the same quality as a FULL HD can. Whether you can see any difference I don't know for sure, but there is enough evidence to say you can. You cannot but many can.

romerojpg wrote:1080 is 1080, not 768 as you just said.

Well done Mr. Obvious. That's not what I said. A HD Ready TV's native resolution is 1368x768 so either if it's 720p, 1080i or 1080p that's the resolution it will either have to upscale or downscale to.

A 720p resolution may not need to scale up to 1368x768 I'm not exactly sure and just display at 1280x720 but a 1920x1080 resolution will certainly have to downscale to 1368x768. It's why many HD Players look better outputting at 1080i on a HD Ready TV than at 720p. Let the TV scale down than the Player scale down.

My original sentence was very clear. I guess you don't have a clue after all.

romerojpg wrote:You just said you dont see any difference between 720 and 1080, so the chances you would see the difference between i and p is pretty much not gonna happen.

No I said I couldn't tell any difference from Upscaling SD to 720p or 1080i. I've not seen it in 1080p and even if I had Upscaling SD to HD isn't remotely the same as a native HD image displayed at an HD resolution, you should know that.

Stop picking out my comments in particular, it gets boring.

There are two pages of comments yet again you've deliberately decided to pick a fight with my comments. Try adding something of benefit (such as advice on LCD TVs, you should know enough about them) than being negative.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 06 Dec 2007, 18:28

saltysam wrote:i thought you wanted Die Hard 1. that's region A coded. tbh if there are only 10 movies on blu-ray you want i'd stick with dvd

I do but it's not on my initial list. That's what I meant. I am going to be way more picky with HD than I ever was with DVD though.

I have no action films on my initial list of 15 (except for T2), the rest being HD-DVD.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 06 Dec 2007, 18:43

I wasnt just picking at you

I just read them as wrong information at the time

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 06 Dec 2007, 19:41

bradavon wrote: I am going to be way more picky with HD than I ever was with DVD though.

due to the prices i'd say unless you were rich that's true of virtually anyone buying into HD.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 06 Dec 2007, 20:17

True. That's not want I meant though. I have too many DVDs as it is. I only plan to buy HD Discs of excellent films I really love, plus the odd exception.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 06 Dec 2007, 21:04

bradavon wrote: I only plan to buy HD Discs of excellent films

wrong

you want the Prestige. it's very average

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 06 Dec 2007, 21:14

Are you stalking me?

I've only just added that to my DVD Profiler list.

The Prestige is ace, it's no classic but still ace.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 06 Dec 2007, 21:28

bradavon wrote:Of the 10 BDs I'm interested in/have most are from Warner and only two thankfully are Region A (Disney: The Prestige, Sony: Volver).

no i'm not stalking you.you posted this yesterday. 8)

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 06 Dec 2007, 21:31

Goldfish Memory lapse

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 06 Dec 2007, 22:12

LOL oops. I did also say "plus the odd exception". I meant Miami Vice when I said that. I want to see the DC in HD but may end up selling that. I liked it at the cinema though.

It occurred to me with an HD Ready TV the maximum native resolution they ever support is 1368x768 meaning 1920x1080 (it being 1080i or 1080p) cannot physically display on such a TV. As such the 1920x1080 resolution will only be showing a maximum of 1368x768.

With that in mind even if Romero has tried 1080i and 1080p on his FULL HD TV (it's FULL HD right?) the only difference will be Interlaced vs. Progressive. However on a HD Ready TV things are very different, 1080i will be displayed at 1368x768 and 720p will either also be 1368x768 or it's native resolution of 1280x720. As you can see there isn't much in it on a HD Ready TV but a FULLL HD TV will be able to show the full 1920x1080 resolution a HD Ready TV simply cannot.

In short my original statement that it's sum resolution jump holds true

. 1080 is indeed 1080 at source but the problem is your HD Ready TV isn't actually displaying 1080, it's displaying 768.

Hell many people even claim they can see a difference between PAL and NTSC (I can sometimes), and the resolution increase there is minute.

720x480 - SD NTSC
720x576 - SD PAL
1280x720 - HD Ready 720p - That's sum jump
1920x1080 - FULL HD 1080p - That's an ever bigger jump again

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 06 Dec 2007, 22:21

All this resolution talk is boring tbh

i put my HD discs in,press play and am usually blown away by the quality.i don't sit there thinking "if only it was 1080p"..... i enjoy the stunning av for what it is.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 06 Dec 2007, 22:39

Of course but you said the increase would be minimal. I'm making the point it's certainly possible it isn't

Besides this is a technical thread in a technical subforum

gasteropod · Post by **gasteropod** » 06 Dec 2007, 23:16

bradavon wrote:Hell many people even claim they can see a difference between PAL and NTSC (I can sometimes), and the resolution increase there is minute.

NTSC looks liney on my TV.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 07 Dec 2007, 17:41

Yup the old NTSC and Pal thing was very, very easy to spot on all my equipment in the past and a few times here and now in the present

but it is all down to how your equipment plays the image (dvd and TV etc...).

HD is a very different matter

Yup I have Full HD TV

just wish it was 60 or 80 inches

I want more!

Mark you thinking seriously about getting a new TV (you need one?), or just making the enquiries for when you make that new purchasein the future

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 07 Dec 2007, 17:51

It seems Mark has gone AWOL.