Man, 24, weds 82-year-old bride

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 02 Oct 2007, 01:13

Oh shit really?

the68monkey wrote:btw, why is this newsworthy? We rarely hear about octogenarian men who take some 20-something Barbie doll as a third or fourth wife.

Fair point. It is more unusual when men go for women this old though, wouldn't you say?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 02 Oct 2007, 01:27

bradavon wrote:You first? .

Legality aside, I'd take the teenage girl. It's not ideal for sure, but at least she wouldn't make me physically sick. Whilst I was doing it I could try to convince myself she was mature for her age, but dipping my wick into a crispy old minge is just too gross to contemplate. And can you imagine the oral sex? Either you'd get cobwebs on your tongue or she'd bite your cobblers off with her falsers. I'd rather do a few months in jail. Not that you'd got to jail if you were forced as the point of the dilema was really to see which one found more repugnant: an underage girl or an overaged woman? Now your turn to answer Brad!!

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 02 Oct 2007, 01:57

the68monkey wrote:Harold and Maude, anybody?

btw, why is this newsworthy? We rarely hear about octogenarian men who take some 20-something Barbie doll as a third or fourth wife.

That's because most women are greedy and dont care if a guy is old as the pyramids, as long as the guy has money and brings security. So because of the fact that women are so willing to degrade themselfs so easily for money, it really isnt newsworthy that much.

However, when a guy sets aside his pride and selfrespect to marry a hideous old woman (women dont age as well as men), it's alot more rare, so it IS newsworthy.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 02 Oct 2007, 02:31

Markgway wrote:Now your turn to answer Brad!!

I kind of already did

but what the hell:

The old biddy.

I can see your point of view and to a minor extent agree but the idea of having sex with a kid is so morally wrong I just couldn't do it. Then again I do think for reasons hard to explain 14 is very different from 13.

14 to me is very close to being 16. I'd definitely pick 15 over 82, for instance. At least an 82 year old would have the maturity to really know what she was doing (no I don't mean how to have sex).

But both are entirely repugnant to me.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 02 Oct 2007, 02:41

Yi-Long wrote:That's because most women are greedy and dont care if a guy is old as the pyramids, as long as the guy has money and brings security.

I wouldn't have put it that way but I do have to entirely agree. I've never understood why it's considered acceptable for women to so heavily rely on men to "look after them" and "provide for them". Get a bloody job and work like men are expected to.

Women can be very hypocritical in this respect, they want to work and have the same rights as men but at the same time so often demand a man who is wealthy and can look after them. I read it time and time again on the dating sites I visit.

I don't give two hoots how much money a woman earns. I'll make my own money thanks. Yet this is very important to most women.

It is inbuilt into the female psyche to be looked after by men and society then goes and adds to this philosophy. Things should be 50/50 as far as I'm concerned.

On a slightly different but related subject:

My Mum also disagrees with me when I say "no I wouldn't get up to let a woman have a seat per say". Why should I? Just because she doesn't have a penis. Yes I'd get up if she (or he) was ill, elderly, disabled but not specifically just because they're female. That's sexism.

It's acceptable for women to say sexist remarks about men but if a man does it heaven forbid.

Obviously I'm grossly generalising but I am mostly right.

Yi-Long wrote:women dont age as well as men

I'd completely disagree there it's just women are so expected to always look 100% beautiful it becomes much harder as you get older, whereas men are not. Grey hair on men looks charismatic but women it looks old.

the68monkey · Post by **the68monkey** » 02 Oct 2007, 10:21

Yi-Long wrote:That's because most women are greedy and dont care if a guy is old as the pyramids, as long as the guy has money and brings security. So because of the fact that women are so willing to degrade themselfs so easily for money, it really isnt newsworthy that much.

However, when a guy sets aside his pride and selfrespect to marry a hideous old woman (women dont age as well as men), it's alot more rare, so it IS newsworthy.

I think it's a bit more newsworthy that when asked, some men of this forum stated they would prefer to rape a child than have sex with an elderly person.

Yi-Long wrote:I'd fuck the 13 year old. I would get a few years in prison, sure... but fucking an 80 year old will haunt you for the rest of your life.

[sarcasm mode]So happy to know you have the children's best interests at heart[/sarcasm mode]

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 02 Oct 2007, 10:55

Who are Harold and Maude?
There's the thorny issue of taking the teenager being legally/morally wrong even if she may be willing, but an 80 year old woman is just.. gross, freaky.
If she was willing and my life depended on it, I'd take the beautiful girl.
Did I say that?

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 02 Oct 2007, 11:03

grim_tales wrote:Who are Harold and Maude?

Bud Cort & Ruth Gordon.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 02 Oct 2007, 11:03

grim_tales wrote:Who are Harold and Maude?

It's a cult comedy film by Hal Ashby. A young dude becomes romantically involved with an elderly woman.

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 02 Oct 2007, 11:14

the68monkey wrote:
Yi-Long wrote:That's because most women are greedy and dont care if a guy is old as the pyramids, as long as the guy has money and brings security. So because of the fact that women are so willing to degrade themselfs so easily for money, it really isnt newsworthy that much.

However, when a guy sets aside his pride and selfrespect to marry a hideous old woman (women dont age as well as men), it's alot more rare, so it IS newsworthy.
I think it's a bit more newsworthy that when asked, some men of this forum stated they would prefer to rape a child than have sex with an elderly person.

We weren't talking about 'raping' a 13 year old or a 82 year old, but we were talking about having sex. I know in the USA sex with a 13 year old is 'automatically' rape, and usually I agree with that... but since I was forced to make a choice, I'd go for the 13 year old, as there are already girls at that age who are willingly having sex and enjoy having sex.

Yi-Long wrote:I'd fuck the 13 year old. I would get a few years in prison, sure... but fucking an 80 year old will haunt you for the rest of your life.
[sarcasm mode]So happy to know you have the children's best interests at heart[/sarcasm mode]

Actually, having sex with me wouldnt kill a healthy young girl. However, an 82 year old wouldnt survive it. So yeah, I'm just trying to act in everyone's best interest, which involves not killing anyone.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 02 Oct 2007, 11:26

Thanks Eva.
And Yi I agree, sex with a 13 year old *could* be consentual. (sp?)

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 02 Oct 2007, 11:33

bradavon wrote:
Yi-Long wrote:That's because most women are greedy and dont care if a guy is old as the pyramids, as long as the guy has money and brings security.
I wouldn't have put it that way but I do have to entirely agree. I've never understood why it's considered acceptable for women to so heavily rely on men to "look after them" and "provide for them". Get a bloody job and work like men are expected to.

Women can be very hypocritical in this respect, they want to work and have the same rights as men but at the same time so often demand a man who is wealthy and can look after them. I read it time and time again on the dating sites I visit.

I don't give two hoots how much money a woman earns. I'll make my own money thanks. Yet this is very important to most women.

It is inbuilt into the female psyche to be looked after by men and society then goes and adds to this philosophy. Things should be 50/50 as far as I'm concerned.

On a slightly different but related subject:

My Mum also disagrees with me when I say "no I wouldn't get up to let a woman have a seat per say". Why should I? Just because she doesn't have a penis. Yes I'd get up if she (or he) was ill, elderly, disabled but not specifically just because they're female. That's sexism.

It's acceptable for women to say sexist remarks about men but if a man does it heaven forbid.

Obviously I'm grossly generalising but I am mostly right.

I agree with ya.

I wouldnt say I went too far with my earlier statement. Obviously, not ALL women are like I mentioned, but far too many are. It's the same when women can openly say all men are pigs/dogs, while I havent cheated once in my whole life. It doesnt apply to EVERYONE, but yeah, overall they're probably right.

But I agree with what you're saying about them being hypocritical. I'm kinda in that situation with my girlfriend, cause I often tell her that when we have kids, I feel one of the parents should always be home and take care of the house and the kids etc. For me, it's logical that person would be ME, as I'm very good with kids, plus I have a medical thingy that kinda keeps me at home anyway, so hopefully I'll be able to combine working at home and parenting and householding. For me, that would be the most logical solution, and she can go work.
But for her it feels like a woman should be at home, and the guy should be out to work. Normally, I'd kinda agree, but as I said, our situation is a bit different, so we have to adapt to the circumstances. But she has a little trouble with that.

Apparently, housework and parenting is ONLY a full-time job (and 'the most difficult job in the world') when a WOMAN is doing it.... cause when a GUY is doing it, he suddenly is a BUM who's taking advantage of his working wife!?

Yi-Long wrote:women dont age as well as men
I'd completely disagree there it's just women are so expected to always look 100% beautiful it becomes much harder as you get older, whereas men are not. Grey hair on men looks charismatic but women it looks old.

No... I seriously feel men age much better than women. Usually. Ofcourse you have hot women who are already over 50, and you have guys who are already hideous looking when they're 35... but overall men age better.
I also believe it's because women are smearing crap on their faces their whole lifes, so their skin just kinda dies after 40. It's unhealthy and I always tell my girlfriend I'd rather see her without all that crap on her face (which luckily she does). Women are also always shitting around with new products in their hair. Every time a new product or brand hits the stores, women rush out to try it on. That's not good.

Plus obviously for men it's more accepted to grow older physically... or maybe we wear it a bit better. But for women their aging is all the more obvious cause women are trying so hard to hide it. Saggy tits, loads of make up to cover the wrinkles, hideous haircoloring to cover up the grey/white, etc.

A healthy 60 year old man will usually look younger and more 'alive' and healthier than a healthy 60 year old woman. That's just a fact.
Just look at Clint Eastwoord, who is 70 or something, and still looks reasonably well.
As a guy you just have to worry about not growing fat, and hoping that everything with stay kinda 'tight'. As a woman, it's much harder to stop everything from becoming saggy and starting to drop etc...

Shingster · Post by **Shingster** » 02 Oct 2007, 11:33

the68monkey wrote:I think it's a bit more newsworthy that when asked, some men of this forum stated they would prefer to rape a child than have sex with an elderly person.

Indeed, I wish I'd never made that peadophile comment now!

At least the 82yr old woman could probably teach you lot a thing or two in the sack.

Yi-Long wrote:That's because most women are greedy and dont care if a guy is old as the pyramids, as long as the guy has money and brings security. So because of the fact that women are so willing to degrade themselfs so easily for money, it really isnt newsworthy that much.

However, when a guy sets aside his pride and selfrespect to marry a hideous old woman (women dont age as well as men), it's alot more rare, so it IS newsworthy.

Let's all sing a song to the tune of the the Mah Ná Mah Ná song:

misogyny! - dudoo-dedoodoo - misogyny! - dudoo doo doo

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 02 Oct 2007, 13:26

bradavon wrote:Then again I do think for reasons hard to explain 14 is very different from 13. 14 to me is very close to being 16. I'd definitely pick 15 over 82, for instance.

That's why I specifically choose 13.

15 would've been too easy a choice.

Also 13 is the youngest age before you would become a paedophile.

At least an 82 year old would have the maturity to really know what she was doing .

I dunno. A lot of these old dears look pretty out of it to me. It might feel like rape if she's medicated or drowsy after a hard night's bingo.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 02 Oct 2007, 13:29

the68monkey wrote:I think it's a bit more newsworthy that when asked, some men of this forum stated they would prefer to rape a child than have sex with an elderly person.

Who said that???

Yi-Long wrote:I'd fuck the 13 year old. I would get a few years in prison, sure... but fucking an 80 year old will haunt you for the rest of your life.

I'm sure he wasn't talking about RAPE.

That was never part of my original dilema.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 02 Oct 2007, 13:30

Yi-Long wrote:Actually, having sex with me wouldnt kill a healthy young girl. However, an 82 year old wouldnt survive it.

Yeah, the shock of seeing something so shrivelled and small might induce a stroke.

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 02 Oct 2007, 13:37

Markgway wrote:
Yi-Long wrote:Actually, having sex with me wouldnt kill a healthy young girl. However, an 82 year old wouldnt survive it.
Yeah, the shock of seeing something so shrivelled and small might induce a stroke.

Wouldnt YOURS be very very small and shriveled up when you would be in bed with a naked 82 year old, Mark!?

Are you telling us your flag would be standing tall and proud, when you have old Betsy in your bed!?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 02 Oct 2007, 16:09

Yi-Long wrote:Wouldnt YOURS be very very small and shriveled up when you would be in bed with a naked 82 year old, Mark!? Are you telling us your flag would be standing tall and proud, when you have old Betsy in your bed!?:D

Good point. I think my little soldier would crawl back inside.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 02 Oct 2007, 16:38

Yi-Long wrote:I'd fuck the 13 year old. I would get a few years in prison, sure... but fucking an 80 year old will haunt you for the rest of your life.

And having sex with a child wouldn't?

Yi-Long wrote:Plus, it's a life-or-death decision, so I doubt many people will REALLY judge me as a pedophile. It's not like I'd get much joy out of fucking either.

You reckon?

the68monkey wrote:some men of this forum stated they would prefer to rape a child than have sex with an elderly person.

Well that puts it in context. I agree a child cannot possibly fully understand what she or he is doing so even if they consent it doesn't count.

Yi-Long wrote:as there are already girls at that age who are willingly having sex and enjoy having sex.

And they're mature enough to understand what they're getting into? Hormones go along way to explaining why kids "think" they're doing the right thing and enjoying it. I bet most later regret it.

Many young girls so want to be a Mum. Are they remotely mature enough to make this decision?

The fact is we ARE talking about rape. A child even if they consent is not equipped with enough maturity or life skills to understand what is happening. The adult however is expected to be fully or at least much more so equipped.

It is shocking how many of you would pick taking a child's viginity over having sex with an elderly woman JUST because the elderly woman may happen to be pretty ugly (i.e - old). Agreed the idea isn't attractive but at least she would fully understand what she is getting into.

To pick the young girl purely because she is well young is grossly misunderstanding what you're agreeing to.

grim_tales wrote:And Yi I agree, sex with a 13 year old *could* be consentual. (sp?)

Just because a child doesn't specifically say NO it doesn't make it consensual!

I do agree around the 13-15 period it gets into a very grey area BUT even so I feel it's best to air on the side of caution and assume the child isn't capable of fully understanding what she/he is getting into.

I did agree when one high ranking inspector said some men who have had sex with a 15 year old shouldn't immediately be classified as a paedophile. That is only 1 year less than what is legally allowed.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 02 Oct 2007, 16:45

t's the same when women can openly say all men are pigs/dogs, while I havent cheated once in my whole life.

Exactly. Especially when a big portion of women have affairs too.

For me, it's logical that person would be ME, as I'm very good with kids, plus I have a medical thingy that kinda keeps me at home anyway, so hopefully I'll be able to combine working at home and parenting and householding. For me, that would be the most logical solution, and she can go work.

That is very forward thinking of you, seriously.

It's unhealthy and I always tell my girlfriend I'd rather see her without all that crap on her face (which luckily she does).

I completely agree. Less is more when it comes to cosmetics. I always find it so refreshing when women where none or little make up. So many women don't know where to stop and there faces just look like an advertisement for the latest facial product.

Also 13 is the youngest age before you would become a paedophile.

Really so 13 and 14 isn't considered in law immediately a paedophile offence?

I dunno. A lot of these old dears look pretty out of it to me. It might feel like rape if she's medicated or drowsy after a hard night's bingo.

That's not what I mean. Didn't you read the bit in brackets?

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 02 Oct 2007, 17:37

Well... one of the reasons I'd pick a 13 year old over an 82 year old, is because I feel when you are 13 you are already pretty mature. People really think kids become more and more stupid, the older they themselfs become... but when you really have a normal discussion about serious stuff with a kid, a kid is usually smarter and more mature than many 'adults'. Just look at all those kid-shows where children talk about the world and politics and problems etc. They seem to have lots more empathy for other human beings, and are more social. I guess after a certain age, people grow selfish and bitter and cynical etc.

Kids arent idiots.
Kids might do dumb stuff. They make mistakes, and some ARE idiots... but usually kids are smarter than many people give them credit for.

A 13 year old, as far as I know, is already interested in boys, and love, etc.
Obviously, SEX is not advisable, but I do know at that age there are more than a fair few who are already experimenting with it, or want to.

Morally, it's 'rape'. But so is having sex with an 82 year old woman against her will. So are we saying it's OK to 'rape' an 82 year old woman over a 13 year old girl!?

Anyway, I'd pick the 13 year old girl, and do my utmost effort and best to make it as least traumatic as is possible.

But neither option is very appealing, obviously.

BTW, when I was 23 or something, I had a nice local girl who had a crush on me and one day she kissed me out of the blue... and afterwards I found out she was only 16. Now, if I was into child-fucking I could have done it back then, but to me that has never been an option, so she was pretty pissed off at me when I didnt want a relationship with her, but that's her problem.

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 02 Oct 2007, 17:49

bradavon wrote:
t's the same when women can openly say all men are pigs/dogs, while I havent cheated once in my whole life.
Exactly. Especially when a big portion of women have affairs too.

I feel women are hypocrites. I really do. Just take a look at women's magazines in the stores' and it's all about affairs, cheating, dating someone else's husband, etc etc...
Ow... but us guys are sexist pigs!? Sure(!) Go watch your Sex and the City boxset(!)

For me, it's logical that person would be ME, as I'm very good with kids, plus I have a medical thingy that kinda keeps me at home anyway, so hopefully I'll be able to combine working at home and parenting and householding. For me, that would be the most logical solution, and she can go work.
That is very forward thinking of you, seriously.

I dont really think it's 'forward' thinking. it's just realistic. I have this medical crap that's kinda keeps me at home. and my girl has a very good diploma which means she can make alot of money working outside the home. Plus I'm just pretty good with kids and I enjoy interacting with kids and teaching them stuff etc. I know you're instantly suspected of being a peadophile if you're a guy that says he loves being around kids (and mentioning it in THIS thread isnt gonna help matters much either

), but I just really enjoy kids. I can get along with people of pretty much all ages, but kids are just FUN. Hard to explain, but just making them laugh, or beating them at a computergame, or teaching them a football trick or whatever... it's just nice.
I loved when in my old neighbourhood the young kids and the older 'kids' (18-25) all just played alongside eachother, football and stuff... and with respect and not taking advantage of their weaknesses etc.

So anyway, for me and my girlfriend I feel the best (and maybe only) solution would be if I stayed home and took care of things here. But yeah, many other people would have problems with that if they dont know the circumstances.
If I was totally healthy, I might want to work outside the house, but I'd still feel one of the parents should be at home and take care of things.

It's unhealthy and I always tell my girlfriend I'd rather see her without all that crap on her face (which luckily she does).
I completely agree. Less is more when it comes to cosmetics. I always find it so refreshing when women where none or little make up. So many women don't know where to stop and there faces just look like an advertisement for the latest facial product.

It's just sad when you see 12 and 13 year old girls smearing that crap on their faces to look like little thai ladyboy-prostitutes. And they'll probably start smoking as well so they'll be 'popular', so their skin is gone at age 25. Serves them right for being stupid.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 02 Oct 2007, 18:15

What's the legal age in Holland Yi? If you were 23 I guess 16 is borderline but over here 16 would be legal.

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 02 Oct 2007, 18:30

grim_tales wrote:What's the legal age in Holland Yi? If you were 23 I guess 16 is borderline but over here 16 would be legal.

Ow, it would be legal, but still...

Right now, I'm 30, and I can hardly imagine myself being with a girl under the age of 23 or something.

Anyway, the girl was nice, also nice looking and she played football... but I liked her more as a 'friend' (not a REAL friend, but someone who's nice to joke around with when we were outside). I didnt really know she 'liked' me untill she suddenly kissed me... but obviously a relationship with a girl that age... it just seemed highy objectionable.
Plus I still had feelings for someone from my past.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 02 Oct 2007, 18:45

Morally, it's 'rape'. But so is having sex with an 82 year old woman against her will. So are we saying it's OK to 'rape' an 82 year old woman over a 13 year old girl!?

Except Mark never said having sex with an 82 year old would be against her will. If she was too elderly to give consent then yes it would be rape BUT she would be old enough to be able to understand things by then.

People really think kids become more and more stupid, the older they themselfs become... but when you really have a normal discussion about serious stuff with a kid, a kid is usually smarter and more mature than many 'adults'.

I completely agree except there is a big difference about talking about sex and doing it. I definitely agree more parents should talk to their kids about sex.