Dragons Forever at the BBFC

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 02 Jun 2005, 17:35

Cantonese: 90:17
Dubbed/Re-edited: 89:47

If the English Dub on the HKL is a new dub added to the Cantonese version why then is it 30s shorter? Are HKL going to include both versions seperately? Original English and Cantonese? That would make sense. But who knows?

Obviously the bad news here is that the Yuen Biao/Fung Shui Fan scenes have not been reinstated into the Cantonese print. If they had the run time would be around 94m. Bummer.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 02 Jun 2005, 17:41

I havent seen DF yet but will probably get the PE anyway.

Do you think leaving those scenes out will harm the film Mark?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 02 Jun 2005, 18:20

grim_tales wrote:Do you think leaving those scenes out will harm the film Mark?

Yes, but since they're not in any version there's no point in missing out on what will probably be the best available.

Kronik · Post by **Kronik** » 02 Jun 2005, 18:48

Why does this movie continually recieve an 18? According to the BBFC website it was once a 15.

Maybe these scenes you speak of Mark will be in the extra's.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 02 Jun 2005, 18:51

I'd say it's a mistaken. HKL have never released two versions before.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 02 Jun 2005, 19:50

Thats wierd.. well the BBFC definitely say the dubbed version has been re-edited. Wonder why?

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 02 Jun 2005, 20:47

Who knows. E-mail your mate Brian White

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 02 Jun 2005, 23:15

Kronik wrote:Why does this movie continually recieve an 18? According to the BBFC website it was once a 15.

I thought the cert might have been reduced, especially considering some of the stuff that gets thru with a '15' now, but obviously not. The only incident which I can see the BBFC having a problem with is when Yuen Wah smashes Pauline Yeung face first thru a glass window. It's not graphic, but violence to a woman isn't looked too kindly upon. That's only a guess mind.

Maybe these scenes you speak of Mark will be in the extra's.

Perhaps? I haven't seen anything about deleted scenes at the BBFC yet.

the68monkey · Post by **the68monkey** » 04 Jun 2005, 03:04

Markgway wrote:Obviously the bad news here is that the Yuen Biao/Fung Shui Fan scenes have not been reinstated into the Cantonese print. If they had the run time would be around 94m. Bummer. .

NOOOOOOOO!

I love the scene where Biao jumps off his red fold-up bike before going into the office!

Kronik wrote:Why does this movie continually recieve an 18? According to the BBFC website it was once a 15.

I don't know anything about BBFC ratings, but I'd think the whole drugs and needles bit would be controversial. especially since Sammo seems to recover so easily after what should be a lethal overdose
Would that affec the rating, Mark?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 04 Jun 2005, 13:57

the68monkey wrote:I don't know anything about BBFC ratings, but I'd think the whole drugs and needles bit would be controversial. especially since Sammo seems to recover so easily after what should be a lethal overdose Would that affec the rating, Mark?

I wouldn't have thought so. The BBFC are only concerned with detailed use and preperation of hard drugs. This is pretty close to James Bond type drugging. We're not told WHAT he's been drugged with, HOW it's prepared (already in the syringe) and the effect is shown to be negative; even with recovery Sammo still looks like shit. So there's no positives to be taken from that scene. Therefore I'd be extremely surprised if the BBFC would give that scene alone more than a '15'. I still think it's largely the violence to a woman that's the cause of the '18', but as I said that's only my theory.

Kronik · Post by **Kronik** » 04 Jun 2005, 14:53

But then again, the drug scene does show the drugs being inserted into Samo, so it could be a problem...

And those missing scenes are in the Swedish DVD with the English Dub. I dont see why those scenes aren't in every version anyway, they are vital to the plot and explains why Yuen does what he does!

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 05 Jun 2005, 00:11

Kronik wrote:But then again, the drug scene does show the drugs being inserted into Samo, so it could be a problem...

Like I said I'm just calculated guessing...

And those missing scenes are in the Swedish DVD with the English Dub. I dont see why those scenes aren't in every version anyway, they are vital to the plot and explains why Yuen does what he does!

The scenes seemed to go missing when Star TV took over the rights in 1993. I'm not saying they purposely cut them, but releases before that were uncut.