Cowboy Bebop - R1 Remix Vs. R3K Vs. R3K 'Remix'

Lourdes · Post by **Lourdes** » 27 Apr 2007, 01:19

R1 Remix is 99.34% progressive (Ep5)
R3K is interlaced (Ep5)
R3K 'Remix' is ??% progressive (Ep5)

The R3K's should be direct R2J ports

Caps from Lourdes (R1 Remix) and EvaUnit02 (R3K/R3K 'Remix')

R1 Remix Top, R3K Middle, R3K 'Remix' Bottom

Subtitle Sample:

Comparison:

Lourdes · Post by **Lourdes** » 27 Apr 2007, 01:22

Eva tells me he's getting the 5.1 R3K set so hopefully he can see if the video is the same on that as it is on the older one. Apparently it should be. If so then the R1 Remix release is the one to have as shitty as it is.
I so hope there will be a BD/HD-DVD release.

Shingster · Post by **Shingster** » 27 Apr 2007, 01:59

Is the dot crawl on the r3k as extensive as on the r1?

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 27 Apr 2007, 02:25

Shingster wrote:Is the dot crawl on the r3k as extensive as on the r1?

Wouldn't know, I sold the R3K 2.0ch yesterday. Picking a DVD set of this show is about the lesser of evils really. The R3K 5.1ch set (which was $30-40nzd cheaper than the combined R1 remix volumes) will tide me over until this series sees an HD remastering. I'll take caps of the 5.1 set once I get it.

They also need to remaster Evangelion again, christ knows why the 2003 Renewal Project wasn't done in HD. Gainax will undoubtedly re-release the series (and End) in promotion of the new Eva movies coming in a couple years. (The R1 Platinum releases are all interlaced BTW.)

Lourdes · Post by **Lourdes** » 27 Apr 2007, 02:26

Shingster wrote:Is the dot crawl on the r3k as extensive as on the r1?

It's a composite video issue so it'll be just as bad. If they'd used a comb filter or anything else you would also see a reduction in the rainbows.

Lourdes · Post by **Lourdes** » 27 Apr 2007, 02:30

EvaUnit02 wrote:They also need to remaster Evangelion again, christ knows why the 2003 Renewal Project wasn't done in HD. Gainax will undoubtedly re-release the series (and End) in promotion of the new Eva movies coming in a couple years.

You're right - http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=KIBA-91401 . No remaster though, Rebuild is out this year.

Afaik Gainax still have all the cells bar some that were stolen/prizes so perhaps they might redo the whole series over one day. I doubt they can get a decent looking HD version from what they currently have.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 27 Apr 2007, 02:34

Lourdes wrote: I doubt they can get a decent looking HD version from what they currently have.

I bet that won't stop them from putting out an upscaled BD set anyway, loads of ignorant fools would snap that up.

Shingster · Post by **Shingster** » 27 Apr 2007, 03:38

Lourdes wrote:
Shingster wrote:Is the dot crawl on the r3k as extensive as on the r1?
It's a composite video issue so it'll be just as bad. If they'd used a comb filter or anything else you would also see a reduction in the rainbows.

Indeedy, back when I bought vol1 of the R1 5.1 remixes I was quite shocked at how bad the dot crawl was. In comparison to the standard R4 discs (whose transfers are much darker) I seem to recall a noticable reduction in dot craw, so I assume Madman used a comb filter on the image. As you say though, when it comes to Bebop all regions have problems, and it ultimately comes down to choosing which poison you'd rather swallow.

Kris · Post by **Kris** » 27 Apr 2007, 05:03

All versions look like crap; I'm holding out for the remaster. Shouldn't be too long now really, Sunrise has been on a remastering streak and redone loads of their old shows in the last couple of years (Votoms, City Hunter, Outlaw Star, Gundam, Gundam 08th MS Team, Gundam 0083.) Cowboy Bebop and Escaflowne are the two biggest shows they've still got left to do.

As for Evangelion, I'm pretty sure the existing releases were from an HD master, unfortunately it was most likely from a bobbed 1080i telecine. The colours are pretty crappy too at times and there's bleeding and whatnot, so yeah, it could really do with a new remaster.

Lourdes · Post by **Lourdes** » 28 Apr 2007, 10:50

Added R3K 'Remix' caps thanks to Eva. Same master again but a different transfer and mostly progressive. R1 Remix is still a bit sharper though.

So begins the long wait for DVD remasters or HD releases. Just think how long it took for some titles to get to DVD.

Lourdes · Post by **Lourdes** » 11 May 2007, 08:48

I just had a look at the French DVD. Interlaced PAL, probably NTSC>PAL but I didn't think to confirm. Same master but brightened up, hides the rainbows but there are other problems introduced.