Fearless (Huo Yuan-Jia): R2UK vs R1US vs R4

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 04 Jan 2007, 02:12

I've compared my 1:85 DivX to the 2:35 DVD.
Every shot is open matte.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 04 Jan 2007, 02:38

Are any Official DVD releases 2.35:1? Cheers Tom for that link.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 04 Jan 2007, 10:07

bradavon wrote:Are any Official DVD releases 2.35:1? Cheers Tom for that link.

Huh? The HK, R1, R2, R4 DVDs are all 2.35:1. You really trying to ask if there are any 1.85:1 official DVDs?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 04 Jan 2007, 16:37

Fearless was shown theatrically at 2.35 also. Who cares about a 1.85 version that reveals more than we're supposed to see?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0446059/technical

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 04 Jan 2007, 16:53

Careful Mark, Romero will go off on one about the Channel 5 print of The Matrix where you could see someone's legs

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 04 Jan 2007, 16:53

Markgway wrote:Who cares about a 1.85 version?

Tom does.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 04 Jan 2007, 17:57

I do too.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 04 Jan 2007, 18:11

So no one important then? 8)

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 04 Jan 2007, 18:16

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 04 Jan 2007, 20:34

I know that 2:35 is probably Ronny Yu's preferred aspect ratio, but I've always felt that Woo-Ping's choregraphies are better when viewed in 1:85.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 04 Jan 2007, 22:14

EvaUnit02 wrote:You really trying to ask if there are any 1.85:1 official DVDs?

Yes I am, oops.

Markgway wrote:Who cares about a 1.85 version that reveals more than we're supposed to see?

I'd like to see it. I make my own mind up which works better.

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 04 Jan 2007, 22:51

I'll try to find my 1:85 DVD-Rip and do a comparison.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 04 Jan 2007, 22:55

Good idea. Can I suggest editing the second post of this thread which happens to be yours.

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 04 Jan 2007, 23:41

Done.

Mark, what is the PRECISE duration of your R2UK ?

The R1 is cut, CUT, CUT !!!
They've removed the beginning, changed the ending, removed bits of dialogue in several scenes...

Have I been living under a rock or am I the first guy to notice this ?!

*Investigating*

Expect a R1 vs R3 in-depth comparison in a new thread soon (can't use this one, too many spoilers)

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 05 Jan 2007, 00:08

tom2681 wrote:The R1 is cut, CUT, CUT !!!
They've removed the beginning, changed the ending, removed bits of dialogue in several scenes...

Hold up so even the Unrated cut is NOT the HK cut? I thought it had the HK + USA cuts, no?

tom2681 wrote:Expect a R1 vs R3 in-depth comparison in a new thread soon (can't use this one, too many spoilers)

So the HK DVD is 1.85:1?

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 05 Jan 2007, 00:51

No. The unrated cut is not the HK cut.
See the other thread for proof.

So the HK DVD is 1.85:1?

No. I don't think so. The Edko is supposed to be 2:35.
There IS a 1:85 DVD somewhere. I just don't know where.

2 Questions for Mark:
How long is your R2 ?
Does it begin with Jet doing a Wushu demo in front of a CGI background ?

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 05 Jan 2007, 02:11

tom2681 wrote: Does it begin with Jet doing a Wushu demo in front of a CGI background ?

Nah. It's prologue text going on about "weak men of the East", the four man vs. Huo Yuanhua tournament; then we see the first 3 matches of that tournament; then the fight between Tanaka and Yuanhua is announced; then cut to title card.

*Sigh* I hope that this extended cut with Yeoh surfaces. It will probably have terrible pacing though.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 05 Jan 2007, 02:18

Shoot it looks like it's a Western Cut not USA Cut, so:

USA Theatrical Cut (Western Cut but shorter)
Western Cut
HK Cut
Thai Cut (The longest)

:shock:

Considering the HK Cut and Thai Cut don't have English subs the UK R2/R4 still look the way to go.

@ Tom: What cut is the 1.85:1 DVD? HK Cut I'm presuming.

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 05 Jan 2007, 02:52

@ Tom: What cut is the 1.85:1 DVD? HK Cut I'm presuming.

Yes.

So the R2UK is cut just like the R1US ?
Crap.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 05 Jan 2007, 03:00

tom2681 wrote:So the R2UK is cut just like the R1US ?
Crap.

Yup, considering that R2UK and R4 are identical discs.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 05 Jan 2007, 03:26

tom2681 wrote:Yes

At least I get to see the HK cut first. I wasn't going to buy a Fearless until I have anyway.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 05 Jan 2007, 18:45

Does it begin with Jet doing a Wushu demo in front of a CGI background ?

No, the R2 is just like Eva said.

DVD running time: 99m, 22s.
Cinema running time: 103m, 53s.

I seem to remember The Running Man saying that there's a scene in the "western cut" that's not in the HK version.

It's after Yuan Jia is caught fighting and is told to copy caligraphy as a punishment. Is this in your "Asian cut", Tom?

EDIT: Nevermind, you've answered this last point in the other thread.