Most Rotten James Bond?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 03 Dec 2006, 01:50

All the debate about which Bond is best... and worst... lead me to check out the Rotten Tomatoes website which averages ratings for films under two categories: critics and users (forum members). I thought it might be interesting to share those results here.

CRITICS
Dr. No (100%)
-From Russia With Love (96%)
-The Spy Who Loved Me (96%)
--Casino Royale (94%)
--Goldfinger (94%)
Thunderball (89%)
On Her Majesty's Secret Service (85%)
Goldeneye (84%)
For Your Eyes Only (79%)
The Living Daylights (77%)
You Only Live Twice (76%)
The Man With the Golden Gun (70%)
Diamonds Are Forever (68%)
Licence to Kill (65%)
Moonraker (63%)
Live and Let Die (60%)
Die Another Day (59%)
-Tomorrow Never Dies (53%)
-The World is Not Enough (53%)
A View to a Kill (47%)
Octopussy (38%)

USERS
From Russia With Love (100%)
-Goldfinger (97%)
-Goldeneye (97%)
Dr. No (96%)
--The Spy Who Loved Me (95%)
--Thunderball (95%)
Casino Royale (93%)
The Living Daylights (86%)
Tomorrow Never Dies (84%)
Diamonds Are Forever (80%)
The Man With the Golden Gun (78%)
The World is Not Enough (77%)
Licence to Kill (76%)
You Only Live Twice (75%)
A View to a Kill (73%)
For Your Eyes Only (72%)
Live and Let Die (70%)
Octopussy (69%)
Moonraker (66%)
On Her Majesty's Secret Service (65%)
Die Another Day (58%)

Mordib · Post by **Mordib** » 03 Dec 2006, 10:53

I normally dont trust lists such as that though i'm pretty impressed with this one. On her majesty's secret service is a classic example of a film which the critics have no choice but to give goodish marks to for technical merit whereas the audience just go on whether they liked it or not.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 03 Dec 2006, 12:59

Interesting that TND is way down on the critics list but gets a high audience rating.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 03 Dec 2006, 14:02

After re-watching OHMSS and Dr. No recently I'd definitely say Dr. No is the worst of the two.

Personally I think most people latch on two Connery and Andress. Ursula Andress only appears in the film right at the end and Connery while good can't save the film from being limp and boring, virtually nothing happens.

It literally doesn't get going until about 15-20 minutes before the end. The point when the villian appears is so need the end I literally looked at my watch and thought "it's nearly over but has only just got started".

Take Connery's obvious charisma away and you have a poorly made film. From Russia with Love however is vastly better in every way!

OHMSS however while having to put up with 90 minutes of one expression George Lazenby at least when it gets going it's lots of fun. As soon as Bond escapes from Blofeld's lair it really takes off. The skiing choreography is very well done.

Both films though are very poor indeed.

p.s - I can see now Tomorrow Never Dies is poorly made against some of the other Bonds but for me it's my favourite as it's just so much fun.

gojensen · Post by **gojensen** » 03 Dec 2006, 15:24

IMO the solution to why "modern" Bonds score better among "audiences" is mainly that the votees are "youngish" and "can't grasp" with the older flicks

Whereas the critics have (by now) "seen it all" and expects "more" from Bond based on the past 20+ films.

Anyhoo I'd like to see the average teen bopper that could sit down and enjoy "3 days of the Condor" which is a stellar film...

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 03 Dec 2006, 17:03

gojensen wrote:IMO the solution to why "modern" Bonds score better among "audiences" is mainly that the votees are "youngish" and "can't grasp" with the older flicks

I've heard that before but it doesn't hold true when From Russia with Love and lots of the other older Bonds get top marks.

3 of the top 5 are Connery Bonds and 2 of those are slow paced spy thriller not action fodder.

OHMSS just like Die Another Day (one of the most over the top, far removed from source material Bonds there is) both get low marks as they simply aren't very good.

gojensen · Post by **gojensen** » 03 Dec 2006, 19:31

Ah well, I really want to like the Brosnan Bond's because I "always" wanted to see Brosnan as Bond (and I think he fit's it perfectly). Too bad he got stuck with the first few (failed?) attempts at modernizing and revitalizing the Bond saga. DAD could have been a really good and different (down and gritty) Bond... But they didn't go all the way... Unfortunately.

It sounds like they dared one step further with Casino Royale... Good for the franchise, not so for Brosnan - but hey, he'll survive

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 03 Dec 2006, 22:36

Personally I think Goldeneye and Tomorrow Never Dies are very good Bonds. TWINE is decent too.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 03 Dec 2006, 22:57

"Die Another Day" is the best Bond-movie ever made. Period!

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 03 Dec 2006, 23:29

Now I know you're joking, you are joking?

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 04 Dec 2006, 00:15

I am?

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 04 Dec 2006, 09:01

I don't know, are you?

Goldeneye and TND are very good Bonds IMO. More action adventure than spy thriller but still very good.

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 05 Dec 2006, 12:25

I think Dr. No is fine until they get to the island. Then we have to put up with a dull heroine - I much prefer the book counterpart - an underused villian and a damn silly looking dragon.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 05 Dec 2006, 17:01

Ursula looks amazing though...

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 05 Dec 2006, 20:49

It's fine "until" they get to the island, that's when it finally takes off. There's a dragon in Dr. No? But yes the villain is very underused.

IronMonkey · Post by **IronMonkey** » 05 Dec 2006, 23:50

bradavon wrote:There's a dragon in Dr. No?

LOL! Thats like your "where did Bond get all that money from?" comment on Licence To Kill. The dragon is a big "fire-breathing" tank on the island. How could you miss it?

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 05 Dec 2006, 23:59

Oh that. The way Ivan put it you'd think he was actually talking about a dragon. You don't honestly remember every second of every film you see, do you?

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 06 Dec 2006, 00:23

IronMonkey wrote:
bradavon wrote:There's a dragon in Dr. No?
LOL! Thats like your "where did Bond get all that money from?" comment on Licence To Kill.

Where he got all the women from?

Lourdes · Post by **Lourdes** » 06 Dec 2006, 04:06

bradavon wrote:Oh that. The way Ivan put it you'd think he was actually talking about a dragon. You don't honestly remember every second of every film you see, do you?

Well you clearly don't!

IronMonkey · Post by **IronMonkey** » 06 Dec 2006, 12:32

thelostdragon wrote:
IronMonkey wrote:
bradavon wrote:There's a dragon in Dr. No?
LOL! Thats like your "where did Bond get all that money from?" comment on Licence To Kill.
Where he got all the women from?

Who said anything about women? I quoted bradavon as saying "money".

bradavon wrote:You don't honestly remember every second of every film you see, do you?

Well no, but I seem to have a better memory for plot points than you do!

Its a long time since I last saw Dr No but I still remember the dragon-tank.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 06 Dec 2006, 13:16

IronMonkey wrote:
thelostdragon wrote:
IronMonkey wrote:
bradavon wrote:There's a dragon in Dr. No?
LOL! Thats like your "where did Bond get all that money from?" comment on Licence To Kill.
Where he got all the women from?
Who said anything about women? I quoted bradavon as saying "money".

Man, chill. Don't be paranoid, lol. It was my own question I wanted to add, trying to make a joke. I didn't say that you asked this.

IronMonkey · Post by **IronMonkey** » 06 Dec 2006, 13:46

I am chilled, I am chilled!

Sorry, I just thought you'd read my quote wrong and that you thought I'd put women instead of money.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 12 Sep 2009, 21:42

How about everyone puts Bond films in order from best to worst?

1. You Only Live Twice (1967)
2. Goldfinger (1964)
3. Dr. No (1962)
4. Live And Let Die (1973)
5. The Man with the Golden Gun (1974)
6. For Your Eyes Only (1981)
7. On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969)
8. Moonraker (1979)
9. Casino Royale (2006)
10. GoldenEye (1995)
11. Thunderball (1965)
12. The Living Daylights (1987)
13. Licence To Kill (1989)
14. A View To a Kill (1985)
15. The Spy Who Loved Me (1977)
16. Octopussy (1983)
17. Diamonds Are Forever (1971)
18. Tomorrow Never Dies (1997)
19. Quantum of Solace (2008)
20. The World Is Not Enough (1999)
21. Die Another Day (2002)

+ From Russia with Love (1963) (can't remember how good this is, been too long since I last saw it)

Also, some other films I haven't seen for a long time so the list isn't necessarily absolutely right, but close anyway.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 12 Sep 2009, 22:52

1: Hung: how the fuck did you resurrect this thread

2: i've only seen at best 5 Bond films-i disqualify myself

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 13 Sep 2009, 06:00

List highly subject to change... lol

Casino Royale (2006)
Quantum of Solace (2008)
The Living Daylights (1987)
Goldfinger (1964)
GoldenEye (1995)
Licence to Kill (1989)
From Russia with Love (1963)
Dr. No (1962)
Octopussy (1983)
Thunderball (1965)
The World Is Not Enough (1999)
Die Another Day (2002)
Tomorrow Never Dies (1997)
You Only Live Twice (1967)
A View to a Kill (1985)
Moonraker (1979)
The Spy Who Loved Me (1977)
For Your Eyes Only (1981)
On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969)
The Man with the Golden Gun (1974)
Live and Let Die (1973)
Diamonds Are Forever (1971)

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