HKL is now 7 years old!!!!!!!!

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 18 Oct 2006, 13:18

tom2681 wrote:-He watches all his movies dubbed.

So he's just like LD then.

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 18 Oct 2006, 13:47

Markgway wrote:Is Bleeper a troll?

I can't believe anyone made those statements seriously?

He probably works for them. Trust HKL not to get decent PR!

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 18 Oct 2006, 13:54

EvaUnit02 wrote:
tom2681 wrote:-He watches all his movies dubbed.
So he's just like LD then.

Which ain't true. I don't watch ALL my movies dubbed. In fact I prefer most of the films I watch in their original language. As you are neither familiar with the German language and the German professional dubbing skills, I understand how you can't understand my choice in watching a Hollywood film dubbed. They show them dubbed in theatres here anyway. Germans have been dubbing 98% of all films that are released here ever since probably the first film that was imported for the German market.

You can't blame me for not watching Asian films with their English dub as English dubbing (both American and British) is really disastrous. I prefer Asian films in their original language anyway as European voices do not fit to the performances of Asian actors.

Oh, the only American stuff I am currently watching in original language is "Lost". I have watched the fourth and fifth seasons of "24" in English, too, but only because they weren't released here at that time. Next comes the first season of the new TV series "Heroes" which should be awesome.

The only Hollywood-films I could never watch dubbed are Jackie Chan's US films and Chow Yun-fat's US films.

As for most other US films, it's pretty annoying to rewind every 5 minutes when I haven't understood a word or a sentence. Although my English is pretty good, it is still not my native language.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 18 Oct 2006, 14:03

thelostdragon wrote:As you are neither familiar with the German language and the German professional dubbing skills, I understand how you can't understand my choice in watching a Hollywood film dubbed. They show them dubbed in theatres here anyway. Germans have been dubbing 98% of all films that are released here ever since probably the first film that was imported for the German market.

Yeah, tell yourself whatever trite excuses to justify your reasoning. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 18 Oct 2006, 14:07

LOL, if you say so.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 18 Oct 2006, 14:11

thelostdragon wrote:LOL, if you say so.

I wouldn't be surprised if you still posthumously vote for Hitler.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 18 Oct 2006, 14:14

I do not vote actually, but that's because everytime I enter the voting booth there is no option for the NSDAP.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 18 Oct 2006, 14:27

I don't understand why you would watch an asian movie subtitled in English and an English movie dubbed in German??

Lol, makes no sense.

bleeper · Post by **bleeper** » 18 Oct 2006, 14:30

Ivan Drago wrote:Purple Storm sucked?
Miracles sucked?
Once Upon A Time In China a guilty pleasure?

Bleeper, you are one sad strange little man.

Maybe so.

Purple Storm: It was so fricking cheesy it was incredible.

Miracles: Let's compare Miracles to oh let me see, Project a part 1, All the police story films, rush hour movies and the shanghai films and you will really see it's not one of his best work. True it had some nice cinmetaography and some decent fights but the overall film was pretty lame.

Is Bleeper a troll?

I can't believe anyone made those statements seriously?

I honestly do believe these things. Who said the original score is best, and i gave you a perfect reason why i think people should not get all high and might over watching the films in the original language. If i remember correctly CTHD mandarin audiences had to watch the films with subtitles because all the actors sounded like shit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CTHD

gasteropod · Post by **gasteropod** » 18 Oct 2006, 14:34

bleeper wrote:If i remember correctly CTHD mandarin audiences had to watch the films with subtitles because all the actors sounded like shit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CTHD

But to Western audiences who have no idea that the pronunciation is off, the sound of the Mandarin language in the film is much better than watching a silly dub.

Miracles is probably Jackie Chan's best film, in my opinion. I don't think any aspect of it is 'lame'.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 18 Oct 2006, 19:58

Markgway wrote:I don't understand why you would watch an asian movie subtitled in English and an English movie dubbed in German??

Lol, makes no sense.

It does. English and German are related languages as both have Latin origins. Asian languages are completely different which makes the dubbing not only look bad on the lips of Asian actors (although they keep improving in that aspect), but also it doesn't fit the Asian actors' performances as I already stated.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 18 Oct 2006, 21:09

Miracles is so overated its scary, a vastly unfunny and overacted, overated film. Good mind you, but way far from a film worthy of the tag classic or even great.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 19 Oct 2006, 04:14

Are Bleeper and Romero cousins?

bleeper · Post by **bleeper** » 19 Oct 2006, 14:36

No just people with good taste.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 19 Oct 2006, 15:00

I blame inbreeding.

chenlung · Post by **chenlung** » 19 Oct 2006, 22:09

As most emphasized, HKL have had their ups and downs and are no way a great distributor for all their products.

Noise Reduction (Story of Ricky).
5.1 only (Warriors Two).
No Mono (Police Story).
Dubtitles (Drunken Master).
Pinkification (Fist of Fury).
Soundtrack Replacement (Ong Bak).
Cropping (Snake in the Eagles Shadow).

There is a difference when you talk about a fault (or 'faulty'):

(Physical) Fault - the case is broken and/or disc failing to play - unique cases which other copies don't have a problem with.
(Internal) Fault - Dance of the Drunk Mantis Soulblade was a cock-up with regards to quality and encoding.

HKL often fail on the quality level. Even if one thing is good, another will not be.

Tartan have their faults too and I would say they are on level with both having advantages/disadvantages, neither are totally awesome so I wouldn't really brag about them

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EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 19 Oct 2006, 23:30

The less said about HKL's Police Story 2 transfer, the better.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 19 Oct 2006, 23:43

Nothing in the world is perfect. And while there indeed are HKL DVDs with drawbacks, it's not like the majority of their titles came with disadvantages. Outstanding HKL releases to me were:

- Duel to the Death
- Knockabout
- The Iceman Cometh (although grainy, it's better than any version out there)
- Dragons Forever
- The Odd Couple
- Moon Warriors
- Bullet in the Head (you can argue about the picture quality, but it's a damn fine disc)
- Iron Monkey
- Tiger on the Beat
- Naked Weapon
- The Killer (I love the transfer. Only drawback is the strange audio)
- Iron Fisted Monk
- Game if Death 2
- Encounters of the Spooky Kind
- Ninja in the Dragon's Den
- Miracles

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 19 Oct 2006, 23:50

We should try and count (bad releases vs good releases).

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 20 Oct 2006, 00:05

Well, how to define a bad release? I have met people who thought that "Miracles" is a really bad release only because there is no mono on the disc. LOL!

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 20 Oct 2006, 00:10

thelostdragon wrote:Nothing in the world is perfect. And while there indeed are HKL DVDs with drawbacks, it's not like the majority of their titles came with disadvantages. Outstanding HKL releases to me were:

- Duel to the Death
- Knockabout
- The Iceman Cometh (although grainy, it's better than any version out there)
- Dragons Forever
- The Odd Couple
- Moon Warriors
- Bullet in the Head (you can argue about the picture quality, but it's a damn fine disc)
- Iron Monkey
- Tiger on the Beat
- Naked Weapon
- The Killer (I love the transfer. Only drawback is the strange audio)
- Iron Fisted Monk
- Game if Death 2
- Encounters of the Spooky Kind
- Ninja in the Dragon's Den
- Miracles

Iron Fisted Monk is a good disc hampered by the BBFC cuts, The Odd Couple suffers from poor remixing with additional and replaced sound effects in places. It's like a Celestial remix - a good one, mind you! GOD2 and Encounters Of The Spooky Kind have new title cards - the former HKL's fault, the latter Media Asia's fault

Some people have real problems with the Miracles audio but it seemed OK to me. The original audio track should be mandatory on any DVD release but few distributors realise it.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 20 Oct 2006, 00:15

Ivan Drago wrote:The Odd Couple suffers from poor remixing with additional and replaced sound effects in places.

Uhm... are you sure you aren't talking about "Warriors Two"? Because "The Odd Couple" does feature the original mono track.

GOD2 and Encounters Of The Spooky Kind have new title cards.

I couldn't care less if you ask me. The same goes for the retitling and new title card for "Tai Chi 2" and "Operation Scorpio". I have no problem with the titles "Tai Chi Boxer" and "The Scorpion King".

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 20 Oct 2006, 00:26

The HKL Odd Couple does NOT have the mono track. The non-anamorphic Mei Ah disc does.

Title card changes annoy me. I don't mind if they are reasonalbe reconstructions ala Celstial discs but when it's a brand new title I get really annoyed

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 20 Oct 2006, 00:31

Right, but the new sounds are only present on the English dub (including the Drunken Master 2-music). I'm pretty sure the Cantonese track isn't different from what is on the MeiAh. I have both discs, so I might compare them when I get the time to.

bleeper · Post by **bleeper** » 20 Oct 2006, 00:40

- Naked Weapon

That film is truly underrated. So bad it's good yet so fucking watchable.