Fearless: Collector’s Box Complete Edition (JP R2)

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 09 Aug 2006, 20:57

http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/fearless2.html

Renamed to Spirit...

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 09 Aug 2006, 21:01

Any news on the UK or USA DVDs? I guess it's to soon. I wonder if it will be cut in the USA?

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 09 Aug 2006, 21:05

Why can't they just call it Huo Yuan-Jia ?
or Fok Yuen-Gap ?

Why do they keep changing it to bullshit like Fearless or Spirit ?

:shock:

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 09 Aug 2006, 21:52

Isn't Fearless the official English title? Then we'd have to start calling films "Shi mian mai fu", "Wo hu cang long" and "Ying xiong" instead of House of Flying Daggers, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and Hero respectively.

I'm cool with the English title. Arsed saying it in Mandarin or Cantonese...

I wish Bollywood films would adopt English titles instead of phonetically spelling the Hindi words.

However I do have a problem with English language films renamed for the UK (and vice versa).

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 09 Aug 2006, 21:59

I don't mind when they -translate- the titles.

Ying Xiong = Hero.
Shi Mian Mai Fu = Ambushed from 10 directions.
Wo Hu Can Long = Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon.

Huo Yuan-Jia is the name of the main character. Why change it ?

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 09 Aug 2006, 23:58

Will buy it if it has the longer cut with English subs.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 10 Aug 2006, 01:56

There's no need to change the title here as it's the dude's name!!

Fok Yuen Gap translates to Fok Yuen Gap.
Huo Yuan Jia to Huo Yuan Jia, etc...

Fearless bears no relation to the original title and sounds awfully unimaginative. The film deserves better.

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 10 Aug 2006, 18:12

I doubt the title "Fearless" was a result of Western pressure. Whenever a HK film is in production, it usually adopts an English title (translated or otherwise) by the Asian studios... long before a Western distributor has any idea.

Ok if a Western label forced a name change, (for example - warning don't click. Majorly crappy title change), then I'd be pissed - especially if it's something totally stupid.

I don't see anyone here referring to Bullet in the Head as (Bloodshed in the Streets (litteral translation of original title "Die xue jie tou").

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 10 Aug 2006, 18:24

No, but it's like changing the title of a movie from 'Adolf Hitler' to 'The Mad Dictator'.

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 10 Aug 2006, 18:27

Which is kinda like changing Bloodshed in the Streets to Bullet in the Head...? No...? (Yet that seems to be acceptable).

I don't even think of Fearless as a name change... it's the original English title created by the studios.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 10 Aug 2006, 18:32

BiscLimpkit wrote:Which is kinda like changing Bloodshed in the Streets to Bullet in the Head...? No...? (Yet that seems to be acceptable).

No.

I don't even think of Fearless as a name change... it's the original English title created by the studios.

Yeah, but it's still less classy sounding than Huo Yuan Jia.

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 10 Aug 2006, 18:40

Sorry if I'm being annoying (not trying to be). Why do you think that something like:

'Adolf Hitler' to 'The Mad Dictator'

is unacceptable but

'Bloodshed in the Streets/Die xue jie tou' to 'Bullet in the Head' is OK?

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 10 Aug 2006, 18:41

Dont buy it if the name bugs you so much

I couldnt give a flying shite.

Still the J dvd will probibly not have english subs in the end like most nowadays

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 10 Aug 2006, 19:13

BiscLimpkit wrote:Sorry if I'm being annoying (not trying to be). Why do you think that something like:

'Adolf Hitler' to 'The Mad Dictator'

is unacceptable but

'Bloodshed in the Streets/Die xue jie tou' to 'Bullet in the Head' is OK?

Didnt the CHINESE producers give it that english name (Bullet in the Head?)

With Fearless, it seems like the American producers forced that name on it. I guess that's a big difference.

Personally, I hate all the different titles for the same movie. It's ridiculous, especially nowadays when the whole world is on the web and talks to eachother. Now someone from Japan could rave about Spirit, someone from Hong Kong would go HUH!? and someone from America would only know he's talking about Fearless if the japanese guy explained who's in it and what's it about.

It's fucking ridiculous to change perfectly good titles. Ong-Bak and Tom Yum Goong are fine titles. No need to change them. Hell, I wouldnt even change Sha Po Lang. Not to mention all those Jet Li movies that now giot totally lame-ass new names...

I agree with Mark that they should have just called Fearless after the main character. If some hillbilly hick from central America doesnt 'understand' it: fuck him!

It's too bad the people making these decisions, dont have a fucking clue. They just dont.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 10 Aug 2006, 19:22

Is changing "Wong Fei Humg" to "Once Upon A Time in China" OK?

Bullet In The Head is a good title - its relevant, but Fearless has no relevance to the film whatsoever.

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 10 Aug 2006, 19:29

grim_tales wrote:Is changing "Wong Fei Humg" to "Once Upon A Time in China" OK?
Bullet In The Head is a good title - its relevant, but Fearless has no relevance to the film whatsoever.

I feel it could just as well have stayed 'Wong Fei Hung', but I dont know WHO named it Once Upon a Time in China... was it the chinese producers who decided this (perhaps with Tsui Hark's approval), or was it the western companies that bought the rights.

I agree Bullet in the Head is a good title... and Fearless isnt.
Kill ZOne (Sha Po Lang) is a contender for one of the most ridiculous renamings EVER. Proof that cocaine is still a problem in Hollywood, guess...

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 10 Aug 2006, 19:36

About Once Upon A Time In China.. I like that title TBH, its more likely that Sergio Leone is an inspiring director.

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 10 Aug 2006, 20:10

Yi-Long wrote:Didnt the CHINESE producers give it that english name (Bullet in the Head?)

With Fearless, it seems like the American producers forced that name on it. I guess that's a big difference.

I really don't think that's true but if it were, then naturally I'd be pissed.

If people think "Fearless" is such a crap title then refer to it as "Huo Yuan-Jia" if it makes you feel better (I'll know what film everyone's talking about).

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 10 Aug 2006, 21:27

Tom2681 wrote:Huo Yuan-Jia is the name of the main character. Why change it ?

Could many Japanese pronounce it? It's exactly the same reason SPL isn't being called Sha Po Lang in the USA.

Who honestly thought they'd call it that? Agreed the rename to Killzone is really stupid but there is no way it would be called SPL or Huo Yuan-Jia in this case.

More importantly? -

bradavon wrote:Any news on the UK or USA DVDs? I guess it's to soon. I wonder if it will be cut in the USA?

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 10 Aug 2006, 21:29

Maybe Fok Yun-gap would be easier for the Japanese?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 10 Aug 2006, 23:51

Wong Fei Hung should really have been called Wong Fei Hung in English, but let's be honest, Once Upon a Time in China sounds classy doesn't it? So no one is going to complain. But Fearless sounds like DTV action pap and is also the name of a Jeff Bridges movie. Bullet in the Head isn't changing a person's name, it's substituting one translation for another. That's what I meant by it's different. There's no need to retitle Huo Yuan Jia at all, and especially not to something that cheapens the work.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 11 Aug 2006, 01:03

Markgway wrote: and is also the name of a Jeff Bridges movie.

Speaking of Peter Weir's Fearless, WB really need to double-dip that. The current DVD is only in open-matte fullscreen.