What Have You Just Seen... Marks Out of 5

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 30 Jul 2006, 19:58

thelostdragon wrote:The Weather Man - 4.5/5

Who'd have thought Gore Verbinski could pull it off. I hear it's his "only" decent film.

From what I've seen he's more of a hack than Bret Ratner.

grim_tales wrote:Hey Brad you seen Unleashed/Danny The Dog yet?
I enjoyed Unleashed, great fights, I doubt I'd buy DTD though.

Yes on release. I have the HK R3 for a Luc Besson penned script it's decent and easily Jet's best Hollywood film but it's still not a patch on his HK output. I don't mean in the action stakes (I was entertained) but in the story, while no where near as weak as all his previous Western output it was still very weak indeed

Why are you switching between Danny the Dog and Unleashed? They're the same film, except the US got a watered down version. Unleashed is an awful retitle.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 30 Jul 2006, 20:05

Oh sorry.

Yeah, Unleashed is a poo title, it has a double meaning though.
I wasn't going to buy the non watered down edition.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 30 Jul 2006, 20:07

bradavon wrote:
thelostdragon wrote:The Weather Man - 4.5/5
Who'd have thought Gore Verbinski could pull it off. I hear it's his "only" decent film.

From what I've seen he's more of a hack than Bret Ratner.

Brett. Double T.

Anyway, yes, "The Weather Man" is awesome. Verbinski's only decent film? Wouldn't say so. I liked "Pirates" a lot. Will watch part 2 tomorrow. "The Mexican" is also supposed to be quite good.

However, "The Weather Man" is probably Verbinski's only film that has a lot of depth and is not superficial.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 30 Jul 2006, 20:13

Markgway wrote:A shame that she hasn't been given better roles in movie since the show ended. Why couldn't they cast her as Lois?

Agreed if she died her hair brunette (which works with blondes) she would've been great.

She has the acting chops and the age too.

grim_tales wrote:I felt it was a cliché to give Luthor's girlfriend a "heart"

She was exactly the same in the originals. Why is it a cliché?

grim_tales wrote:The twist was fairly obvious, even for me when I'm unfamilliar with the mythology.

I don't believe it's actually part of the mythology. I could be wrong though.

grim_tales wrote:When is the film set?

Good bloody question. I wish someone would ask Singer that. In that aspect it's all over the place from the 1970s right through to present day.

thelostdragon wrote:Brett. Double T.

Who?

thelostdragon wrote:Verbinski's only decent film? Wouldn't say so. I liked "Pirates" a lot.

Pirates 1 and Ring are AWFUL, okay Pirates 1 isn't awful and Ring is at least well made (but then so are most Ratner films) but Ring was such a lame film compared to Ringu so yeah probably awful and Pirates 1 was sooo average. Neither are decent though.

thelostdragon wrote:"The Mexican" is also supposed to be quite good.

I forgot that one. Yep okay he's made ONE decent film.

thelostdragon wrote:However, "The Weather Man" is probably Verbinski's only film that has a lot of depth and is not superficial.

True. I've not seen it yet.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 30 Jul 2006, 20:14

Ah, I remember that BBC advert. No idea it was him. Cheers for the link.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 30 Jul 2006, 20:17

brooce-leroy wrote:Superman Returns takes place 5 years after Superman 2. It disregards the 3rd and 4th entries as if they never happened. I don't think there was a ever a specific time period stated in the Christopher Reeve movies, so I don't think the technology aspect matters that much.

Fair point and an interesting one. Still it would've worked better if they'd thought it through a little more.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 30 Jul 2006, 20:20

Brad I havent seen the originals so didnt realise it was the same but it just felt predictable, Parker Posey being (in effect) an unwilling accomplice, trying to be the voice of reason etc.

I enjoyed Pirates a lot too.

Bichunmoo - 3.5/5

The costume/choreography were very good I thought and the more "traditional" Korean music was outstanding and really cool. But I still found the story confusing.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 30 Jul 2006, 20:21

Brad I think LD is telling you how to spell Brett Ratner.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 30 Jul 2006, 21:37

Grim got the obvious! Brad did not.

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 31 Jul 2006, 22:04

Pirates of the Caribbean 2: Dead Man's Chest: 0.25/5

And I'm being nice.
What a piece of crap !

Jack Sparrow is completely wrong.
Elizabeth becomes a warrior woman (WTF happened to the fragile girl from POTC ?).
The story makes no sense, the editing is all wrong, character development is non-existent... and the ending is abysmal.

How did they manage to screw this one up, I don't know.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 01 Aug 2006, 03:40

Pirates of the Caribbean 2: Dead Man's Chest: 3/5
The thing almost everyone will write is that the first part was better. I agree with them. However, the second one was really good as well. As Tom mentioned, the editing was a bit strange at times as there were many continuity errors that I have noticed.
I also wouldn't say that Jack Sparrow is completely wrong, but just a bit different. He still has many characteristics of the original Sparrow. His best scenes were in my opinion when he was the king of the cannibals.

Tom, you give PotC 2 only 0.25/5 while at the same time giving "Twins Effect 2" a 5/5 (well, at least judging from the fact that it is in your top 10 films). That's kinda... dull.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 01 Aug 2006, 09:56

Dull?! I'm tempted to post up Eva's Tardis picture!

Series of quick ratings:

Superman Returns - 3/5
PoTC2 - 4/5
X-Men 3 - 3/5 - would've been 4 had Ratner decided/was able to put more characterisation in. Vinnie Jones is still wrong though.
SPL - 4/5
Green Street Hooligans - 3/5

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 01 Aug 2006, 10:53

Robin Hood Daffy - 5/5

Undoubtedly, one of THE funniest Looney tunes ever.

"Yoiks.. and away!" *Crashes*

Father of the Pride - 1st 2 episodes on 2nd disc - 4/5

Has some very funny moments

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 01 Aug 2006, 12:55

LD wrote:Tom, you give PotC 2 only 0.25/5 while at the same time giving "Twins Effect 2" a 5/5.

Yeah...

TE2 has a great storyline. POTC2 has no coherent storyline at all.
TE2 offers at least some character development. POTC2 takes exisitng characters and turns them upside-down.
TE2 has great original music. POTC2 is a rehash of POTC and Speed.
TE2 has action. POTC2 has a parody of Jackie Chan's Operation Condor (the big ball rolling down the mountain at the beginning).
The big bad guy of TE2 is an empress. The big bad guy of POTC2 is a fish.

Good SFX don't make a film, I'm afraid.
Nothing can save this one.

Anyway...
I love the films you hate.
I hate the films you love.

Can't help it...

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 01 Aug 2006, 13:45

Tom2681 wrote:POTC2 has a parody of Jackie Chan's Operation Condor (the big ball rolling down the mountain at the beginning).

LOL, so I wasn't the only one who thought that. I like how they used it for the same reason Jackie has used it, too, which is to escape from the aborigines.

There were other scenes that reminded me of Jackie Chan-films. If they hadn't re-invented the big ball scene, I might wouldn't have noticed it, but after that scene it became obvious that they got a lot of inspirations from JC movies, such as the three brothers fighting each other in "Dragons Forever" or the pirate attack of the Western ship in "Project A".

But sometimes I believe you just bash certain Hollywood films and then prefer shitty films just for the sake of it.

I love films. I don't care where they are from as long as they are good.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 01 Aug 2006, 13:57

The Donkey episode in Father of the Pride was hilarious

Can't wait to see Pirates 2 now, I'm sure I'll enjoy it

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 01 Aug 2006, 14:50

brad wrote:A shame that she hasn't been given better roles in movie since the show ended. Why couldn't they cast her as Lois?

Who are you talking about? Peta Wilson?

Good bloody question. I wish someone would ask Singer that. In that aspect it's all over the place from the 1970s right through to present day.

Yup, it's like Gotham in the Batman films - stuck between the 1930's and the present day.

Pirates 1 and Ring are AWFUL, okay Pirates 1 isn't awful and Ring is at least well made (but then so are most Ratner films) but Ring was such a lame film compared to Ringu so yeah probably awful and Pirates 1 was sooo average. Neither are decent though.

Yeah, my feelings too.

I hated how EVERY FUCKING THING was explained with lengthly expository dialogue in The Ring. Also the teleporting shit at the end totally destroyed the original scene.

Pirates is fun but really average (as you said) and highly forgettable.

I forgot that one. Yep okay he's made ONE decent film.

I thought that The Mexican was painfully bad.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 01 Aug 2006, 16:53

Father of the Pride (all of the episodes on Disc 2) - 3.5-4/5

At times often very, very funny

Liked it.

68M did you remember the Donkey episode? I liked his line "I'll be appearing in Shrek 3 in 2006"

Knetan · Post by **Knetan** » 01 Aug 2006, 16:54

hey,

Raid On Royal Casino Marine 1/5

Unknown to many (or only me maybe...), this is the missing third installment of The Inspector Wears Skirts series. A series already mediocre, taken to turkey levels here. You get: lame comedy (even if it largely involves Amy Yip's breasts, we're bored), padding disguising itself as pop culture references and a distinct lack of action entertainment that at least got you through the other films.

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 01 Aug 2006, 17:48

Cars 4/5

Not Pixar's greatest but aye, pretty smart min.

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 01 Aug 2006, 18:10

Hoodwinked 4/5

I actually quite enjoyed this. It's an extension of the Little Red Riding Hood fairlytale. Using Rashomon style flashbacks, we explore the same story through various characters' eyes. It's nicely written and wonderfully integrated. Funny characters as well. The budget is not that great, so the animation is a little cheap looking (almost like a cut scene from a video game) but that didn't bother me.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 01 Aug 2006, 18:39

Knetan wrote:hey,

Raid On Royal Casino Marine 1/5

Unknown to many (or only me maybe...), this is the missing third installment of The Inspector Wears Skirts series. A series already mediocre, taken to turkey levels here. You get: lame comedy (even if it largely involves Amy Yip's breasts, we're bored), padding disguising itself as pop culture references and a distinct lack of action entertainment that at least got you through the other films.

Yeah, it's the worst of the series.

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 01 Aug 2006, 19:22

Heroes Shed no Tears (John Woo - 1986): 4/5

Crazy little action film.
Lots of Woo-esque gunfights and explosions, charismatic characters (Eddy Ko and Lam Ching-Ying).

A little bit too short and simple perhaps, but entertaining nonetheless.

Great DVD by HK Vidéo.

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 01 Aug 2006, 20:49

Shaolin vs Lama 4/5

Pretty cool but I was expecting the lama to be an animal?

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 01 Aug 2006, 20:50

So you were expecting a Shaolin monk to be beating the crap out of a llama? What kind of person are you?!