Jet Li's Fearless (Huo Yuan Jia)

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 14 Jun 2006, 19:39

KOTD is epic, more so than most the so called epics thats for sure.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 14 Jun 2006, 19:44

My bad you're right epic, bollocks!

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 14 Jun 2006, 20:00

Epic means bugger all anymore, film makers havent got a clue a 87 minute film can now be described as an Epic

or a Jet Li film

KOTD is longer and more Epic than most so called Epic films thats for sure.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 14 Jun 2006, 20:09

romerojpg wrote:Epic means bugger all anymore, film makers havent got a clue a 87 minute film can now be described as an Epic

Of course. An epic doesn't have to be long but it does have to have that "BIG EPIC" feel.

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 14 Jun 2006, 22:09

Which KOTD (and Danny the Dog) totally had.

(IMO) 8)

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 14 Jun 2006, 22:56

Epic means it has a LARGE huge powerfull story, which has an impact on ALOT of people IN THE MOVIE, like Gladiator having an impact on all the people of Rome, Braveheart having alot of impact on the Scottish people in the movie, etc etc.
Plus usually it has a huge cast, and multiple big settings.

Danny the Dog isnt an epic. It's pretty small-scale really, as it only affects those around Danny.
KOTD as well, only really affects those around Jet and the bad guys...

The Fugitive is borderline epic. Still a very personal story, but has a big story, big cast, multiple settings... etc... except it wouldnt have a HUGE impact if it happened real life.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 15 Jun 2006, 01:40

Exactly Yi-long and English isn't even your first language

p.s - It also needs to be BIG in scope to The Fugitive isn't big in scope.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 15 Jun 2006, 02:20

bradavon wrote:Exactly Yi-long and English isn't even your first language

LOL, I guess Dutchies do have a word for epic. Should sound quite similar IIRC.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 15 Jun 2006, 02:48

thelostdragon wrote: LOL, I guess Dutchies do have a word for epic. Should sound quite similar IIRC.

Heldendicht vs. episch. German version is better.

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 15 Jun 2006, 03:30

thelostdragon wrote:
bradavon wrote:Exactly Yi-long and English isn't even your first language
LOL, I guess Dutchies do have a word for epic. Should sound quite similar IIRC.

We do, but it's hardly ever used I think. 'Episch' indeed.
But I mainly know it from it's english form, so wouldnt have mattered if we did or did not have a Dutch term for it. I would have known what it meant either way

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 15 Jun 2006, 12:03

Well, if you look the word up in the dictionary, you will see that it means nothing else than "narrative". So almost any movie could be epic. The ones that aren't would be those without a storyline. Or the latest Wong Jing film. :-)

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 15 Jun 2006, 12:57

Well... in that case I just will NOT look it up in the dictionary

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 16 Jun 2006, 00:03

Not quite Laser Disc

:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=epic

We all know what epic means and DTD/KOTD (particularly DTD) really don't fit.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 17 Jun 2006, 11:58

The UK cinema ad I saw on TV said "Jet Li in his final martial arts epic", that doesnt mean its his last MA film.

I hope this is playing near me (Hatfield or Hemel Hempstead).

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 23 Jun 2006, 19:47

Woo Hoo Fearless is playing NOW at my local cinema. It better not be dubbed! It shouldn't be. I'll be going this w/e for sure.

Shen · Post by **Shen** » 23 Jun 2006, 21:28

hey brad i saw this today, AFAIK its subbed, well it was in my cinema, so i dont see a reason why it shouldnt be in yours...

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 23 Jun 2006, 22:05

Ah but it could still be dubbed.... in Cantonese.... if you get what I'm talkin about...

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 25 Jun 2006, 14:30

Thanks Shen.

This DVD Times review says Mandarin:

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=61937

That said it reads to me like he doesn't know much of the history of Asian cinema so he may not have noticed. The BBFC site does or at least did clearly say Cantonese.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 25 Jun 2006, 16:00

Watched it last night great film, took a while to get into the swing really and only a few great fights, but on the whole it indeed felt epic in scope, if not length.

Shame about the hidious dubing of practually all cast into one language

you can see their lips moveing to the real words and they are dubbed to be in line with everyone else, pretty sad if you ask me. Japanese, english etc.. do not speak their language in the film they are badly dubbed. The sad thing was some people did speak their own language, a few english people for instance, but only a few the rest were badly dubbed.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 25 Jun 2006, 17:47

Odd they dubbed over the English speech in particular.

This isn't surprising though dubbing is very much part of Chinese cinema and it has been since I can remember.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 25 Jun 2006, 19:34

It shouldnt be, its just igorant as hell.

The japanese guy was esspecially crappy dubbed, the films full of stars from around the world and a lot do not speak their own language in the film and basically its crap they still dub everyone!

I except it in the 70's and mabe even the 80's, but come on its 2006! for gods sake stop dubing people!

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 25 Jun 2006, 21:04

That's pretty homoerotic. I'll still try and watch it but I'm pissed off in advance.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 26 Jun 2006, 18:24

BiscLimpkit wrote: homoerotic.

Hey I dont see why they couldnt have changed it back to their real voices for over seas people

it wouldnt be to hard. Will be interesting to see the dvd of the film mind you extras etc..

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 26 Jun 2006, 20:53

romerojpg wrote: I except it in the 70's and mabe even the 80's, but come on its 2006! for gods sake stop dubing people!

Agreed!

slasher13 · Post by **slasher13** » 26 Jun 2006, 21:58

bradavon wrote:Odd they dubbed over the English speech in particular.

This isn't surprising though dubbing is very much part of Chinese cinema and it has been since I can remember.

Fist of Legend must of been an expection then, as i recall the japanese speak their own language without any dubbing right? I seem to remember this on an HK VCD.