FINALLY. Apocalypse Now SE in the pipeline

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 18 May 2006, 13:28

bradavon wrote:You guys don't even have Digital TV? WTF!!!

Of course we do, I'm talking FREE broadcasts. I said that in my previous post. Not everyone has a house made out of gold bricks like you do Brad.

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 18 May 2006, 14:10

Why exactly did Coppola crop Apocolypse Now?

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 18 May 2006, 14:18

Ivan Drago wrote:Why exactly did Coppola crop Apocolypse Now?

Not Coppola, Storaro the cinematographer. He didn't like the low resolution of 4:3 TVs and VHS/laserdisc. He argues that you lose 50% of the resolution. This is all completely redundant with Widescreen TVs being prominent in homes now (at least outside the US) and with HD already here.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 18 May 2006, 14:20

EvaUnit02 wrote:Of course we do, I'm talking FREE broadcasts. I said that in my previous post. Not everyone has a house made out of gold bricks like you do Brad.

So was I.

Freeview costs just £30 for the box and that's it. Completely free to some few hundred thousand people all over the UK.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 18 May 2006, 14:26

Ivan Drago wrote:Why exactly did Coppola crop Apocolypse Now?

From Storaro's website:

Question: Why is the aspect ratio of the Apocalypse Now Redux DVD not the 2.35:1 ratio of the cinematic release?

Answer:
(by Kim Aubry, Producer of Apocalypse Now Redux)

In fact, the transfer of Apocalypse Now Redux (from film elements to High Definition digital videotape) was made with an aspect ratio of 2.0:1. This is consistent with the 1998 transfer of the original film Apocalypse Now done for DVD.

The aspect ratio 2.0:1 was chosen by the cinematographer, Vittorio Storaro, who supervised every aspect of this film transfer. Storaro believes that for the purpose of TV transfer, it is better to crop (slightly) the extreme left/right edges of the originally photographed frame and allow for a taller picture on both conventional and 16:9 TV monitors, because the video presentation will have more vertical resolution and detail and will be more impactful.

An orthodox 2.35:1 or 2.4:1 transfer would in some ways be a more accurate reflection of the framing seen in most cinemas, but the picture would be using only approximately 50% of the available scanning lines of the NTSC and PAL systems and hence have very limited vertical resolution. Storaro believes that since he himself composed these shots when the film was made and since he carefully made fine adjustments to the framing as needed in the transfer, the 2.0:1 transfer is the best possible compromise in adapting the very wide film picture to the very "square" TV.

Mr Coppola and I agree with Storaro's views and accepted his decision.

You are right to wonder about the discrepancy between the theatrical trailer and the feature itself. But the feature is not 1.85:1, it is 2.0:1. The transfer of the trailer was not supervised by Storaro, and was done using the conventional theatrical aspect of 2.35:1. It doesn't bother us, as this is considered a DVD "extra."

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 18 May 2006, 21:03

What a bunch of fools. They are not getting my money

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 20 May 2006, 07:12

Ivan Drago wrote:What a bunch of fools. They are not getting my money

Suit yourself. We're talking about Coppola here, the man who mentored fucking George Lucas. I don't see him changing his mind any time soon.

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 20 May 2006, 10:19

Ah, they won't get MY money but there is the little thing of a Christmas list. Heh, heh, heh...

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 20 May 2006, 15:45

I'll be getting it for sure. I hope they don't fuck up the Seamless Branching if they use it that is.

I have my 1979 Apocalypse Now up at eBay. The Kurtz Compound is also on my French Redux SE.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 26 May 2006, 20:22

"We now have a scan of the artwork that will be used for the fold-out tray in Paramount's upcoming two-disc Apocalypse Now: The Complete Dossier. Click on the thumbnail below for a better look at the rundown of bonus materials that will be included with the set."

Source: http://www.davisdvd.com/news/news.html

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 26 May 2006, 20:25

It looks like they could be using Seamless Branching as you will notice both commentaries are mentioned on Disc 1.

It also says Redux is actually Coppola's Director's Cut.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 27 May 2006, 15:44

bradavon wrote:It also says Redux is actually Coppola's Director's Cut.

Meh. Coppola was a very different man when he cut Redux 20-ish years later.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 27 May 2006, 16:17

True but the Blade Runner 2007 Director's Cut is it going to be the True Director's Cut he would've given us in 1982? It could be but I suspect it won't be.

You see my point.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 27 May 2006, 16:56

I just want to own this to finally see the '79 TC. Redux was good, but the pacing was terrible.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 01 Jun 2006, 23:54

Extra post to bump the DVD info to the next page.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 01 Jun 2006, 23:54

The Final Spec. is up including times for each extra:

Technical Specs

* Anamorphic Widescreen Presentations
* English DD5.1 Surround
* English & Spanish subtitles

Disc One: Apocalypse Now (1979)

* Watch the films with Francis Coppola - Introduction to both the 1979 and 2001 editions by director Francis Coppola
* Audio Commentary with Francis Coppola
* Marlon Brando's complete reading of T.S. Eliot's poem "The Hollow Men" (17mins)
* Lost "Monkey Sampan" Scene (3mins)
* Additional Scenes – 12 never-before-seen sequences (26mins)
* A/V Club Featurettes – Extras for young filmmakers, techies and fans offering a detailed look at the film’s achievements in sound and image:
o The Birth of 5.1 Sound (5mins)
o Ghost Helicopter Flyover (4mins)
o The Synthesiser Soundtrack (Article)
o Technical FAQ

Disc Two: Apocalypse Now Redux (2001)

* Audio Commentary with Francis Coppola
* Redux Marker – An icon appears on-screen during footage added to make the 2001 Redux version of the film
* The Post Production of Apocalypse Now – 4 Featurettes covering the editing, music and sound of the film through Coppola and his team.
o A Million Feet of Film: The Editing of Apocalypse Now (18mins)
o The Music of Apocalypse Now (15mins)
o Heard Any Good Movies Lately? The Sound Design of Apocalypse Now (15mins)
o The Final Mix (3mins)
* Apocalypse Then and Now retrospective (4mins)
* "PBR Streetgang" Cast Members' Reunion (4mins)
* The Color Pallet of Apocalypse Now – Cinematography Featurette (4mins)

Source: http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=61523

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 01 Jun 2006, 23:56

I can see why they've done it (original material with the original cut, redux material with redux) but it still seems odd to give more material to the DVD which has the longer cut on it.

I was expecting more extras, still it still looks lovely.

Still it would've made far more sense to use seamless branching and then a boat load of extras all on Disc 2. Why have Artisan Terminator R1 AFAIK only ever been able to utilise this properly? It's such a wasted DVD feature.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 02 Jun 2006, 02:56

bradavon wrote:Why have Artisan Terminator R1 AFAIK only ever been able to utilise this properly? It's such a wasted DVD feature.

I take it you haven't seen the Alien Quadrilogy DVDs or The Abyss DVD (they really need to re-release with an anamorphic transfer) then?

slasher13 · Post by **slasher13** » 02 Jun 2006, 10:53

The Abyss is anamorphic for R2, however it is cut for animal cruelty

Seemless branching seems to be rare on dvd, the only company I have seen use it is Artisan and Fox.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 02 Jun 2006, 10:58

slasher13 wrote:The Abyss is anamorphic for R2,

Telling lies is not very nice.
http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=21

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 02 Jun 2006, 11:26

Pre-order:

* Playusa.com £9.99 - http://www.playusa.com/DVD/Region_1/CAR ... oduct.html
* MovieTyme.com £10.99 (they ship to New Zealand) - http://www.movietyme.com/catalog/produc ... s_id=32502
* Roughly $16.56/£8.87 delivered - http://www.dvdpacific.com/item.asp?ID=732944

I say roughly as it's hard to say exactly what you'll pay as the prices currently are including their Sale prices which you won't pay come August (I have added 6% so it's about right). I'm quoting with the cheapest service mail postage.

slasher13 wrote:The Abyss is anamorphic for R2, however it is cut for animal cruelty

Nah as Eva says no version is anamorphic as Cameron approves every new transfer and he wasn't available to approve one so they didn't bother :shock:

I had a feeling there were others BUT 3 titles of ALL the DVDs that really could make use of it???

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 02 Jun 2006, 11:52

bradavon wrote:
slasher13 wrote:The Abyss is anamorphic for R2, however it is cut for animal cruelty
Nah as Eva says no version is anamorphic as Cameron approves every new transfer and he wasn't available to approve one so they didn't bother :shock:

I had a feeling there were others BUT 3 titles of ALL the DVDs that really could make use of it???

More than 3, all 4 of Fox's Alien movies use it (Quadrilogy/SE releases). Also Stephen King's The Stand (either a TV movie or mini-series, waste of time regardless).

slasher13 · Post by **slasher13** » 02 Jun 2006, 11:57

Really!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, whoops then my mistake

Sorry for telling lies....

I alway thought it was anamorphic. Oh well

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 02 Jun 2006, 11:59

So 4. For the point I'm making I'm counting the Alien films as 1 as it's 1 release

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 02 Jun 2006, 16:02

They were also released separately as 2-discers.