I should read the whole text before I starting to copy it.
"However, director Kinji Fukasaku went back and edited some of the more violent scenes along with filming some new ones to create a ”Special Version” which people under the age of 15 can see. "
It doesn't say if he succeeded. I'm too lazy to post the whole text. I guess you were right, Tom. I hate you...
It wasn't hard. Just watch the first 5 Minutes of the DC and you'll see the R-15 rating getting slashed before Fukasaku's name appears.
Meaning: "OK, you can give me a fucking R-15 rating, but I don't like it. I wanted a 12".
I used to be "the man who loves the movies you hate".
Now I'm just "that weird french guy with a cat avatar who comes to BnB once a year for no reason and then disappears again".
It's to be expected and I wouldn't surprised if other countries have done the same. It's stupid of them to put it on the "actual" print in the first place.
Tom2681 wrote:I don't get the BBFC. Battle Royale was a film made for kids (from 15 to 18 ) and these idiots gave it a 18 rating.
BR is my cousin's favourite film and he's 8 years old.
No offence Tom but get over it. I get so BORED of people moaning about the BBFC. The MPAA are just as bad at giving crazy ratings but no one seems to care.
They are so much more lenient than they ever have been but no one bothers to mention that. You never hear people dissing the MPAA (who I'm sure cut films too), the OFLC, the French censors (if they never cut films then what are they there for?)
Personally for BR2 I agree 15 is better. Personally I don't think it's a good idea to let an 8 year old see BR even though I agree it's clearly over the top and meant to be funny.
Tom2681 wrote:Apparently that's an issue in Britain.
It's an issue for adults and the government but not kids.
slasher13 wrote:Hey Guys, I have this Limited Edition tin, and it is a 3 disk version, not a 2 disk version.
It has both cuts of the movies and an extra dvd. All dvds are dvd9. The tin is really nice, it suits my other battle royale film.
My god that is really nice and it suddenly makes the price tag more appealing.
Still I don't think it's a purchase. I can't believe the new cut changes BR2 enough to make it anything but average, not a disaster but certainly not good either.
bradavon wrote:
No offence Tom but get over it. I get so BORED of people moaning about the BBFC.
They are so much more lenient than they ever have been but no one bothers to mention that. You never hear people dissing the MPAA (who I'm sure cut films too), the OFLC, the French censors (if they never cut films then what are they there for?)
Yeah I always thought that we should take the piss out of the German censorship board. From what I heard, they are even worse than the MPAA.
Do many movies get censored in France? The BBFC aren't perfect but I agree, they are a hell of a lot more lenient than various global film classification boards. India has banned images of smoking in films lol.
I remember ex-Bullets poster Ice Angel was so anti-BBFC it was comical but adored the MPAA for some strange reason...
BiscLimpkit wrote:Yeah I always thought that we should take the piss out of the German censorship board. From what I heard, they are even worse than the MPAA.
Any examples?
India has banned images of smoking in films lol.
Many Asian countries are vastly stricter film censors to the BBFC. The Malaysian cut of Naked Weapon cuts any reference to sex or nudity out, including hugging and kissing.
BiscLimpkit wrote:I remember ex-Bullets poster Ice Angel was so anti-BBFC it was comical but adored the MPAA for some strange reason...
Many people have this double standard when it comes to the BBFC vs. MPAA. The MPAA have cut films that the BBFC let throw uncut.
I can only think of one example (Young Adam) but I'm sure Mark could list more?
None that I know of.
I'll check and get back to you on that one.
I used to be "the man who loves the movies you hate".
Now I'm just "that weird french guy with a cat avatar who comes to BnB once a year for no reason and then disappears again".
The CSA (french equivalent of the BBFC) takes care of everything related to TV, radio and movie ratings. They cannot and would not alter or cut a film.
-Movies with no violence get no rating. Snake in the Eagle's shadow is uncut and got no rating (in the UK it's cut and rated 18 ).
-Movies with violent and erotic scenes get a 12 rating. Iron Fisted Monk is uncut and got a 12 rating (in the UK it's cut and rated 18 ). Sin City was rated 12.
-Movies with lots of violence get a 16 rating. Kill Bill was a 16.
-Movies with extreme violence or pornography get an X rating.
Some movies were simply banned during the 60's and 70's for political reasons.
However, for as far as I can remember, no movie has ever been cut or altered by the CSA.
Animal cruelty is a non-issue, headbutts and imitable techniques are ignored, rape is frowned upon and usually warrants a 12 rating, but that's about it.
I used to be "the man who loves the movies you hate".
Now I'm just "that weird french guy with a cat avatar who comes to BnB once a year for no reason and then disappears again".
BiscLimpkit wrote:Yeah I always thought that we should take the piss out of the German censorship board. From what I heard, they are even worse than the MPAA.
They are much worse. Just recently a HK film Fatal Termination had to be cut by over 5 mins to get a German DVD release. Spannick at the ADVDG reported this fact. Remember the hideous butchered Predator and Commando DVDs released in the UK? Those were German prints.
The MPAA have cut films that the BBFC let throw uncut.
Plenty of times. Usually when it comes between an R and an NC-17.
Basic Instinct, Dressed to Kill, Hard Target, Naked Killer, *Nighthawks, 28 Days Later, and True Romance were all cut by the MPAA, but passed uncut by the BBFC, and now you can add Licence to Kill to that list. Of course in the USA you can have Unrated versions, but we're talking only rated product here.
Unfortunately all DVD versions of Nighthawks are taken from the R-rated version. The old CIC VHS was apparently uncut (I think Saltysam has it...?)
Tom2681 wrote:The CSA (french equivalent of the BBFC) takes care of everything related to TV, radio and movie ratings. They cannot and would not alter or cut a film.
What legally they're not allowed to alter films?
Tom2681 wrote:-Movies with no violence get no rating. Snake in the Eagle's shadow is uncut and got no rating (in the UK it's cut and rated 18 ).
What no rating at all? Surely parents like to at least know what type of content a film has? A rating is a very quick way to get an indicator.
Tom2681 wrote:-Movies with violent and erotic scenes get a 12 rating. Iron Fisted Monk is uncut and got a 12 rating (in the UK it's cut and rated 18 ). Sin City was rated 12.
-Movies with lots of violence get a 16 rating. Kill Bill was a 16.
I knew the CSA would be as whacked out as the BBFC. They give a very violent, grotesque and dangerous films a 12 (Sin City), some scenes really aren't for kids to see but give the fun and over the top Kill Bill a 16.
Sin City is definitely more harmful to kids than Kill Bill will ever be. Sure I agree kids on the whole are much more intelligent than adults give them credit but some kids really would be scared about seeing rape, for example.
Tom2681 wrote:-Movies with extreme violence or pornography get an X rating.
At least it's equal but also odd. On the one hand the censors are very tolerant but then they immediately say "all porn" is bad for kids to see.
Indeed. Only the ministry of Culture can do that, and they'd rather ban a film than alter it. Film is sacred over here.
What no rating at all? Surely parents like to at least know what type of content a film has?
Sometimes there's a "Tous publics" rating on those discs (that's the french equivalent to UK's "U" I guess).
I agree about your comments on Sin City and Kill Bill. Still, nobody cares about ratings in France anyway. My 8-year old cousin (well he was 10 at the time) went to see Kill Bill at the theater on his own and nobody said anything to him.
I used to be "the man who loves the movies you hate".
Now I'm just "that weird french guy with a cat avatar who comes to BnB once a year for no reason and then disappears again".
Still, nobody cares about ratings in France anyway. My 8-year old cousin (well he was 10 at the time) went to see Kill Bill at the theater on his own and nobody said anything to him.
OMG now that really is wrong. What's the point in a ratings system if it's not enforced? I presume they're legal ratings?
The difference is between the MPAA and BBFC is that MPAA is industry-regulated, not government-regulated. Even if your film gets cut by the MPAA, you can still release show your film uncut but it'll have the modern equivalent of an X-rating (unrated).
Back in the day, showing X-rated films was almost guaranteed financial suicide. But things are different today, theatrical screenings are not the be-all-and-end-all that it once was. Films have new lives on home entertainment formats, so much so that one could view theatrical screenings as virtually ads for the DVDs. We all know how Hollywood studios love pimping their unrated DVDs.
Thanks Hungfist, I didnt realise that about BR, however I'd call a 15 rated film a "kids film" That implies that anyone below the age of 18 = "kids" and yet when we say kids we usually mean children between the ages of 8-12 (I think). Would you call Batman or the first 2 Terminator movies "kids films"?
I realise BR is very OTT and very darkly comic (it is a satire/comedy after all) but BR = Kids movie? Bollocks. Teens movie? maybe. The angst in the film is certainly relavant to (younger?) teenagers, in the film, 9th grade means 14 years old.
EvaUnit02 wrote:The difference is between the MPAA and BBFC is that MPAA is industry-regulated, not government-regulated.
What difference does that make? Besides is the BBFC government regulated? It's BBFC regulated.
EvaUnit02 wrote:Even if your film gets cut by the MPAA, you can still release show your film uncut but it'll have the modern equivalent of an X-rating (unrated).
The whole idea that's it's acceptable to release a very violent film with zero rating is so wrong to me.
The modern equivalent of X is NC-17, it's just only a handul of non-porn films actually get it. If more Unrated films (which actually deserve the tag) got an NC-17 rating it would soon lose "it's porn appeal".
Grim: I said it's a kids film because the director ment it for kids to see (he was obsessed about getting a '12' rating).
MPAA is a joke. No one is comlaining about them because no one is taking them seriously. German boards was a regular joke when I was a kid, but that was 10 years ago.
Brad: what does it matter if the french banned or even censored somenthing 30 years ago? They used to cut everything here in Finland in the 80's, but now nothing gets cut. The film would have to against the law before it would get banned or altered (child pornography or something else like that).
Tom: how did the french rate the upcoming Guinea Pig box?
The German film board used to suck. Right now they aren't as strict anymore. They are probably the opposite right now. Although I was very surprised when I saw that they recently cut "Hellevator" for violence.
Since we're talking about ratings and censorship: in the 80's K-18 films were not allowed on video in Finland. Everything was cut to K-16. Since it was the distributors themself who had to cut their films they didn't want to take any risks with getting a 16 rating. So, they cut Robocop by 11 minutes. The old video version is a classics. In the warehouse scene Robocop kills 50 drug dealers with just one shot
A few years ago they released Robocop uncut on dvd, now with a new '15' rating 8)
German video game censorship over the years has been pretty hilarious. Eg in the shitfest Carmageddon all the pedestrians were replaced with zombies with green blood, Half-Life saw the humans retextured as robots with blue blood.
EvaUnit02 wrote:German video game censorship over the years has been pretty hilarious. Eg in the shitfest Carmageddon all the pedestrians were replaced with zombies with green blood, Half-Life saw the humans retextured as robots with blue blood.
I'm sure the Carmegeddon thing was done in the UK too (cant remember). Enormous uproar about that, though strangely never heard anyone bleat about Half Life.
That implies that anyone below the age of 18 = "kids" and yet when we say kids we usually mean children between the ages of 8-12 (I think). Would you call Batman or the first 2 Terminator movies "kids films"? 
Shows how different our film boards are then.
