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Killer Meteor
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JinMode
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IronMonkey
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The HKL release was quite bad picture quality wise. It showed a lot of compression artefacts which makes it look terrible on a big screen...bradavon wrote:The Killer - The HKL is fine and a stella release for me, I'll pass. I wonder if Bey will do another commentary?
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HungFist
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HKL's soundtrack (gun shots etc.) isn't very good.
But I couldn't care less about the zillion different dvds. I'm only happy with the extended (aka taiwanese aka "original") cut, and since no one is ever gonna release it again, I won't have to buy it again 8)
But some huge The Killer comparison could be fun.
But I couldn't care less about the zillion different dvds. I'm only happy with the extended (aka taiwanese aka "original") cut, and since no one is ever gonna release it again, I won't have to buy it again 8)
But some huge The Killer comparison could be fun.
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bradavon
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You didn't buy it just because the subs weren't perfect (you expect perfect subs from pre-2000 HK films?) and it has no extras?JinMode wrote:Hard Boiled Tartan was almost perfect (if they had polished the subs and included the extras from the earlier releases, I could have easily owned it!).
That's almost as bad as Yi-long not buying Ong-Bak R4 just because it also contains the International Cut
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JinMode
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haha, no worries!bradavon wrote:You didn't buy it just because the subs weren't perfect (you expect perfect subs from pre-2000 HK films?) and it has no extras?JinMode wrote:Hard Boiled Tartan was almost perfect (if they had polished the subs and included the extras from the earlier releases, I could have easily owned it!).
That's almost as bad as Yi-long not buying Ong-Bak R4 just because it also contains the International Cut, not that that joke probably means much to you
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Yi-Long
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Well... I wouldnt have cared if it didnt mean the 'right' version was good quality. But by all/most accounts the International version looks pretty good on the R4 disc, but the director's version looks pretty bad. Which probably comes from cramping 2 whole movies on 1 disc.bradavon wrote:JinMode wrote: That's almost as bad as Yi-long not buying Ong-Bak R4 just because it also contains the International Cut, not that that joke probably means much to you
If I already have the Thai DVD and the R2, why would I wanna buy the R4 when the version Im interested in has bad videoquality? Plus I now have a subtitled bootleg of the Thai DVD, so I'm done with this movie.
I was there, the big BNB blackout of november, 2008. We lost many that day...
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The Tartan Hard-Boiled is the best version currently avaiable for A/V bar none. As you can now get it for well under a tenner there's no excuse... 8)

Should we tell him that this isn't Woo's preferred cut.HungFist wrote:But I couldn't care less about the zillion different dvds. I'm only happy with the extended (aka taiwanese aka "original") cut, and since no one is ever gonna release it again, I won't have to buy it again
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Markgway
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Tom, if you think that the HKV of BULLET IN THE HEAD is in any way better than the HKL then you should stop smoking whatever it is you smoke.........
Here's my verdict from best to worst:
1. HKL - Consistantly strong in every cap. It's darker for sure, but sharper and richer in tone. Cap 4 easily surpasses the others.
2. NL - Cap 4 is soft and fuzzy, cap 2 over-saturated, but otherwise this is the second best of the images.
3. IVL - Grain hell. Looks washed-out and faded at times. A lifeless looking print.
4. HKV - Awful. The worst of the four remasters (I never checked the MS). Cap 1 is pinky, weak, soft. Cap 4 over-saturated, and check-out Waise's fuzzy bluey-greyish suit. Bleech!
Here's my verdict from best to worst:
1. HKL - Consistantly strong in every cap. It's darker for sure, but sharper and richer in tone. Cap 4 easily surpasses the others.
2. NL - Cap 4 is soft and fuzzy, cap 2 over-saturated, but otherwise this is the second best of the images.
3. IVL - Grain hell. Looks washed-out and faded at times. A lifeless looking print.
4. HKV - Awful. The worst of the four remasters (I never checked the MS). Cap 1 is pinky, weak, soft. Cap 4 over-saturated, and check-out Waise's fuzzy bluey-greyish suit. Bleech!
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EvaUnit02
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I own both the IVL & HKL releases of The Killer and BITH, I could post a comparisons for both. Plus the more DVDs played on the same hardware setup, the better.
You call only having dubtitles that leave entire scenes of the HK DC subless good?.bradavon wrote: The Weinstein's of late have released as many decent and as well as piss poor DVDs sure they're far from good but lets not forget the uncut, subbed, and in it's original language, soundtrack and ratio Shaolin Soccer.
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EvaUnit02
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It can be bettered. With access to the FS master this time and having names like Weinstein & Tarantino attached to the imprint, it could draw Woo himself for involvement.bradavon wrote: The Killer - The HKL is fine and a stella release for me, I'll pass. I wonder if Bey will do another commentary?
Again, yes it can - with Woo's involvement. A commentary track with Woo and Bey would own.Hardboiled - I doubt they'll beat the Tartan again I'll pass
The IVL releases were interlaced.A Better Tomorrow 1 & 2The IVL can be bettered.
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HungFist
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I know. But Woo is wrong. He deleted some of my favourite scenes, made the film too fast paced and made the action scenes worse and sometimes illogical.Markgway wrote:Should we tell him that this isn't Woo's preferred cut.HungFist wrote:But I couldn't care less about the zillion different dvds. I'm only happy with the extended (aka taiwanese aka "original") cut, and since no one is ever gonna release it again, I won't have to buy it again
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EvaUnit02
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bradavon
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RE: Shaolin Soccer.EvaUnit02 wrote:You call only having dubtitles that leave entire scenes of the HK DC subless good?.
I didn't know that and haven't read that in any reviews or rather I knew about the dubtitles but not missing subs. Is the Optimum Asia UK R2 the same? I heard they created new proper subs. It's the version I'm interested in.
Re: Hard Boiled: If Woo get involved that is.EvaUnit02 wrote:Again, yes it can - with Woo's involvement. A commentary track with Woo and Bey would own.
Bey/Brian/HKL tried to get Woo for the BITH: PE commentary but he wasn't interested. Is he interested in recording a third commentary for Hard Boiled and The Killer?
When I said "it can't be bettered" I really meant the Tartan (like Killer HKL) is perfect for me with very nice AV. I don't see any reason to upgrade. Unlike ABT/ABT2 for example.
When does that happen? How do you mean?EvaUnit02 wrote:The subs also have that cool fade-out effect which I haven't seen on any other DVD.
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Killer Meteor
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Killer Meteor
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hey,
Bullet was not only incredibly downbeat but I believe the connections to Tianaman square was easily made at that time by most. Also a reason Woo made the film, to vent some anger. Hence a lower box-office return compared to his other action films of that sort although I always think Bullet detaches itself from the likes of The Killer in many ways. Many good ways.
Makes sense to mellow out with your next film and when released during the Lunar New Year, OAT was indeed a hit.
Bullet was not only incredibly downbeat but I believe the connections to Tianaman square was easily made at that time by most. Also a reason Woo made the film, to vent some anger. Hence a lower box-office return compared to his other action films of that sort although I always think Bullet detaches itself from the likes of The Killer in many ways. Many good ways.
Makes sense to mellow out with your next film and when released during the Lunar New Year, OAT was indeed a hit.
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EvaUnit02
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Don't know, I doubt it though.bradavon wrote:Is the Optimum Asia UK R2 the same?
The subtitles fade out and it happens through the whole way through the film. I don't know how can I idiot proof that any more, if you still don't get it then it's your problem.When does that happen? How do you mean?
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chenlung
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Bey said Woo didn't have time to do BITH commentary.
Those Tartan subtitles aren't great. Fade in/out is too distracting for me and they don't even translate the song sung to the baby in the finale, yet C4 did! Don't like the film that much anyway.
I think we should give DD a chance despite some suspicions of what'll happen. Swamp them with requests now that things seem to be going correctly so they deliver the perfect package 8) !
Those Tartan subtitles aren't great. Fade in/out is too distracting for me and they don't even translate the song sung to the baby in the finale, yet C4 did! Don't like the film that much anyway.
I think we should give DD a chance despite some suspicions of what'll happen. Swamp them with requests now that things seem to be going correctly so they deliver the perfect package 8) !
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Dragon Dynasty will release a 2 disc SE of SPL in R1 in September.
HOWEVER, the name has been changed to Kill Zone (WTF! :x ) and there's no word on runtime yet.
http://www.twitchfilm.net/archives/006916.html
HOWEVER, the name has been changed to Kill Zone (WTF! :x ) and there's no word on runtime yet.
http://www.twitchfilm.net/archives/006916.html

