Crime Story / Heart the Dragon - Best versions? Any good?
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Crime Story / Heart the Dragon - Best versions? Any good?
1. Is Crime Story HKL the best English subtitled version?
2. Is Heart the Dragon HKL the best English subtitled version? or is the R1 Fortune Star Fox better? Am I correct in guessing it's a case of better PQ on the Fortune Star Fox BUT Dubtitles.
3. Is Dragon Lord HKL the best English subtitled version?
* Are the above any good Jackie Chan action?
I've put "Dragon Lord" last as I have very little interest in it. The box set I'm about to mention has 4 separate keep cases so I could just trade this.
In my local Choices Video store (the store version of ChoicesDirect.com - Bath and Stokeham only) they had the following Jackie Chan box set for £5.99 in their sale:
http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/866495/J ... oduct.html
I didn't end up getting it as I already have plenty of Jackie Chan action I own not watched yet but I was thinking that was a mistake considering the £5.99 price. They only had two, one looked a bit scruffy, rattled and was open but the second was sealed and brand new.
I'm going back to Bath on Saturday and I thought I might pick it up if they've not sold it.
The cheapest online is £10.99 and funnily it's £16.99 from the actual ChoicesDirect.com website.
p.s - The box set contains:
Dragon Lord / Crime Story / Heart Of The Dragon / Heromakers (4 Discs)
2. Is Heart the Dragon HKL the best English subtitled version? or is the R1 Fortune Star Fox better? Am I correct in guessing it's a case of better PQ on the Fortune Star Fox BUT Dubtitles.
3. Is Dragon Lord HKL the best English subtitled version?
* Are the above any good Jackie Chan action?
I've put "Dragon Lord" last as I have very little interest in it. The box set I'm about to mention has 4 separate keep cases so I could just trade this.
In my local Choices Video store (the store version of ChoicesDirect.com - Bath and Stokeham only) they had the following Jackie Chan box set for £5.99 in their sale:
http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/866495/J ... oduct.html
I didn't end up getting it as I already have plenty of Jackie Chan action I own not watched yet but I was thinking that was a mistake considering the £5.99 price. They only had two, one looked a bit scruffy, rattled and was open but the second was sealed and brand new.
I'm going back to Bath on Saturday and I thought I might pick it up if they've not sold it.
The cheapest online is £10.99 and funnily it's £16.99 from the actual ChoicesDirect.com website.
p.s - The box set contains:
Dragon Lord / Crime Story / Heart Of The Dragon / Heromakers (4 Discs)
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Probably, yes. Some ppl have complained about PQ, but overall the HKL is fine.1. Is Crime Story HKL the best English subtitled version?
Both are equally crap in terms of subtitles.2. Is Heart of the Dragon HKL the best English subtitled version? or is the R1 Fortune Star Fox better? Am I correct in guessing it's a case of better PQ on the Fortune Star Fox BUT Dubtitles.
In terms of PQ: the FOX has an extremely low bitrate resulting in bad compression artefacts.
Overall I'd say that the HKL is much better.
I'm thinking yes. It's grainy but it's an OK disc.3. Is Dragon Lord HKL the best English subtitled version?
Although there's a korean remaster out there somewhere... but I don't know how good it is.
-Crime Story is probably Jackie's best film ever. It's a dark police film (kinda like a mix between City on Fire and Police Story).* Are the above any good Jackie Chan action?
-Heart of Dragon (no "the") is a drama film with Jackie and Sammo. There's only two action scenes, but that's not what the film is about.
-Dragon Lord isn't perfect, but it's a very interesting transitional film. It's where Jackie decided to move away from kung-fu movies and start doing action comedies. Lots of fun action scenes, martial arts and sports included.
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Neither does the Fox so they cancel each other out. I'd guess the HKL 5.1 remix is the closest to Mono out of all the soundtracks on the HKL/FOX. If you get what I mean.JinMode wrote:Unfortunately, no mono on Heart of The Dragon HKL dvd, which is a reason why I get most of their dvds. hopefully, Joy Sales will make that up.
1. It hasn't got any respectable English subtitled competition as far as I can tell so people can moan all they like it's doesn't mean much to me.Tom2681 wrote:Probably, yes. Some ppl have complained about PQ, but overall the HKL is fine.
2. Are both dubtitles? How do you mean?Both are equally crap in terms of subtitles.
2. Any capture comparison? I was assuming this was a case of Old School Fortune Star whipping HKL's ass (like In the Line of Duty 4)In terms of PQ: the FOX has an extremely low bitrate resulting in bad compression artefacts.
Is it any good? I was wondering about the THE. You'd have no idea about the drama aspect by the cover (I didn't).-Heart of Dragon (no "the") is a drama film with Jackie and Sammo. There's only two action scenes, but that's not what the film is about.
I hated Drunken Master and Prodigal son what's the likely hood I'd like it? They badly needed humour so maybe this will help, still it's old school and that's not a good thing when it come to Jackie in my book.-Dragon Lord isn't perfect, but it's a very interesting transitional film. It's where Jackie decided to move away from kung-fu movies and start doing action comedies. Lots of fun action scenes, martial arts and sports included.
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Yes, the HKL uses poor dubtitles as well.-Both are equally crap in terms of subtitles.
2. Are both dubtitles? How do you mean?
I'll do one later.In terms of PQ: the FOX has an extremely low bitrate resulting in bad compression artefacts.
2. Any capture comparison?
It's a very touching drama. Unfortunately some ppl don't like Sammo acting like a retarded kid and they have given this movie a bad reputation.-Heart of Dragon.
-Is it any good?
How did you feel about Young Master ? Seeing as Dragon Lord is pretty much a sequel of Young Master, that'd be a good way of knowing.I hated Drunken Master and Prodigal son what's the likely hood I'd like it?
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"Dragon Lord" is the film where Jackie has put outtakes in the credits for the very first time. It is one of my favourite earlier Jackie films. While I think the main part is quite funny, I think that it can become boring to people who expect non-stop action. But the rooftop scene and the showdown are worth owning this film. The final fight in the barn has some of the best basic stunt work I have ever seen (like Mars flipping from the first floor, over Jackie who is on the ladder and onto the floor with his back).
My brief "Dragon Lord"-review:
http://www.asia-on-dvd.com/ftr/reviews/ ... gon%20Lord
My brief "Crime Story"-review:
http://www.asia-on-dvd.com/ftr/reviews/ ... me%20Story
My brief "Dragon Lord"-review:
http://www.asia-on-dvd.com/ftr/reviews/ ... gon%20Lord
My brief "Crime Story"-review:
http://www.asia-on-dvd.com/ftr/reviews/ ... me%20Story
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Thanks guys. Great Short Reviews idea LD.
I'm tempted as £5.99 it's a bargain but I've only interest in Crime Story from the box set. Buying DVDs literally because they're cheap and so therefore it could be years before I see them seems a bit stupid.
Hmmm not sure.
Put simply I've stayed clear of Old School Jackie (or I should say Old School from that era) so haven't seen Young Master.
I'm tempted as £5.99 it's a bargain but I've only interest in Crime Story from the box set. Buying DVDs literally because they're cheap and so therefore it could be years before I see them seems a bit stupid.
Hmmm not sure.
I was so bored by Drunken Master I skipped to the end after 45 minutes in the hope the last battle would be fun IT WAS NOT. Man I reckon DM has to be one of the most boring films ever made. I prefered Prodigal Son much more but still it bored me. I watched that to the end.Tom2681 wrote:How did you feel about Young Master ? Seeing as Dragon Lord is pretty much a sequel of Young Master, that'd be a good way of knowing.
Put simply I've stayed clear of Old School Jackie (or I should say Old School from that era) so haven't seen Young Master.
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Thanks, but I was actually inspired to do this by the quick-takes on Ken's website.bradavon wrote:Thanks guys. Great Short Reviews idea LD.
http://www.sogoodreviews.com/reviews.htm#qno
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Re: Crime Story / Heart of the Dragon - Best versions? Any good?
Heromakers?bradavon wrote:Dragon Lord / Crime Story / Heart Of The Dragon / Heromakers (4 Discs)
I guess it´s some kind of documentary. Has anyone seen this?
Is it just available in that boxset?
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I've decided not to bother £6 is £6 and when it's for a box set I have little interest in other than price it seems a bit daft.
It's a documentary that is also available separately, it was dirt cheap at HMV. It's not really a proper release like say "Jackie Chan Stunts/Story".
They tend to throw it in free in the JC box sets.
I don't know for sure but would be surprised if it was Ivan it's a full length documentary. I don't think it's that good or at least only okay.
These sorts of discussions usually hold little interest to me when I've not got anything viable to compare it against.
The same goes for HOD I SERIOUSLY doubt the Joy Sales will beat the HKL or Fox. I'm betting it will be similar to those crappy/overrated Deltamac letterbox DVDs a few years back but please prove me wrong.
I'm not a purist like many so aren't going to get my knickers in a twist over such issues especially when I don't even have anything to compare it against. I've never seen any of the films in this box set.
It's a documentary that is also available separately, it was dirt cheap at HMV. It's not really a proper release like say "Jackie Chan Stunts/Story".
They tend to throw it in free in the JC box sets.
I don't know for sure but would be surprised if it was Ivan it's a full length documentary. I don't think it's that good or at least only okay.
Thanks but TBH Mark it doesn't bother me as like many other films we can moan but will end up getting it anyway as it's got no competition.Markgway wrote:The colours have been manipulated on HKL's CRIME STORY, desaturating hues, as happened with CITY ON FIRE.
These sorts of discussions usually hold little interest to me when I've not got anything viable to compare it against.
The same goes for HOD I SERIOUSLY doubt the Joy Sales will beat the HKL or Fox. I'm betting it will be similar to those crappy/overrated Deltamac letterbox DVDs a few years back but please prove me wrong.
I'm not a purist like many so aren't going to get my knickers in a twist over such issues especially when I don't even have anything to compare it against. I've never seen any of the films in this box set.
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Surprisingly!
Universe is a good disc! It contains accurate subtitles and a great remix (honestly) with nice separation.
All discs have their unique attributes so there's no winner.
But yes, no DVD contains mono audio so it's off to purists projects
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All discs have their unique attributes so there's no winner.
But yes, no DVD contains mono audio so it's off to purists projects
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