Sympathy for Lady Vengeance

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 29 Apr 2006, 09:08

1. Fade to black and white is the version Park originally planned to release. I think the official explanation why it wasn't released in theaters is that they couldn't finish it in time. But that's only the official explanation...

2. No connection to Mr.

3. Yes. But it's DTS only. I guess that won't be a problem for you.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 29 Apr 2006, 09:15

Thanks Hung.

HungFist wrote: 3. Yes. But it's DTS only. I guess that won't be a problem for you.

Oh totally no problem. Did you get yourself a DTS amp yet? I highly recommend that you do, cuz DTS rocks.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 29 Apr 2006, 10:17

EvaUnit02 wrote:Thanks Hung.
HungFist wrote: 3. Yes. But it's DTS only. I guess that won't be a problem for you.
Oh totally no problem. Did you get yourself a DTS amp yet? I highly recommend that you do, cuz DTS rocks.

I really want to but,
1) Those unsubbed R2J's take all my money...
2) The walls in this apartment are a bit so so, meaning the neighbours probably wouldn't appreciate my new sound system as much as I would...
3) Being a fan of 70 cinema, 'Original mono' is still the magical phrase for me. New films are a different thing of course, but I wouldn't get quite as much out of DTS as an average person...

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 29 Apr 2006, 10:36

EvaUnit02 wrote:NOOOOOOOOO... a digipack!

What's wrong with a digipack? I think digipacks are nice.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 29 Apr 2006, 13:09

thelostdragon wrote:What's wrong with a digipack? I think digipacks are nice.

They're very susceptable to wear and tear. I'd rather just have a plain old amaray.

I have the R1 Alien Quadrilogy, it's packaged in this unwieldy digipack which requires alot of table room to open out. The panel of the Disc 2 (Alien extras) came unstuck on the 2nd day(!!) of owning it and hasn't been able to remain in position since.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 30 Apr 2006, 12:25

EvaUnit02 wrote:They're very susceptable to wear and tear. I'd rather just have a plain old amaray.

Agreed if you throw them around the room (like most do it seems) but look after them and they'll be fine. If you look after them (not hard) they always look much nicer IMO to keep cases.

I'm really wary buying second hand digi-pack DVDs as most people treat their DVDs really badly and the cases fall to bits (literally).

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 05 May 2006, 09:48

I just watched the film, it was terrific.

I was a bit confused at the ending though, did Geum-ja suffocate herself in the tofu? Or was it just a redemption metaphor?

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 05 May 2006, 13:28

She's cleansing herself, that's all.
Finally she can forget about vengeance.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 05 May 2006, 17:38

So Eva does the HK SE have both Colour and F2B or just Colour versions?

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 06 May 2006, 03:35

bradavon wrote:So Eva does the HK SE have both Colour and F2B or just Colour versions?

Wouldn't know, I bought the Korean 2-discer. I wouldn't risk my money on a DVD with unconfirmed specs and what'll prolly have a shitty interlaced transfer anyway (judging by Panorama's past record).

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 06 May 2006, 04:03

Tom2681 wrote:She's cleansing herself, that's all.
Finally she can forget about vengeance.

Ah, just a redemption metaphor then. I suppose if it had been a western film, they might've used an analogy to baptism. Glad to see that she didn't kill herself, but then she wasn't complete absorbed by her vengeance like Woo-jin in Oldboy.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 06 May 2006, 21:47

EvaUnit02 wrote:Wouldn't know, I bought the Korean 2-discer. I wouldn't risk my money on a DVD with unconfirmed specs and what'll prolly have a shitty interlaced transfer anyway (judging by Panorama's past record).

My bad I thought you said you went for the HK SE.

Which cut did you watch?

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 06 May 2006, 23:35

bradavon wrote:Which cut did you watch?

The F2B version, it was very effective IMO.

I suppose you haven't watched the flick yet. I now know what's like to have a big stack of unwatched DVDs and having no time in which to watch them.

nenmaster · Post by **nenmaster** » 09 May 2006, 12:58

whats the best version of this film to buy?

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 10 May 2006, 05:20

nenmaster wrote:whats the best version of this film to buy?

For the time being, the R3K 2-disc SE for having both versions (the "director's cut" of the film is the Fade-to-B&W version, which is only available with the R3K SE thus far) and the best picture quality. It's £11.99 at Cd-wow after using coupons (ask here if you can't figure out how to get the £2 discount). Do note that there is only a DTS track on the F2B version disc, so you'll need a DTS decoder to watch it or you author your own disc with the DD5.1 track from disc 1 (which has the all colour version).

If that's out of your price range then there's always the R3HK release from Cd-wow for £6.99 after discount.
Good comparison review between the above two releases here.

Just avoid the R2UK Tartan release since it's complete pants.

memetic · Post by **memetic** » 10 May 2006, 09:46

EvaUnit02 wrote:
Tom2681 wrote:She's cleansing herself, that's all.
Finally she can forget about vengeance.
Ah, just a redemption metaphor then. I suppose if it had been a western film, they might've used an analogy to baptism. Glad to see that she didn't kill herself, but then she wasn't complete absorbed by her vengeance like Woo-jin in Oldboy.

In Korean culture, white tofu is used to cleanse oneself which extends to a custom dictating that when a prisoner first leaves prison he/she must eat white tofu to purify their body. There's a scene in the movie "Oasis" depicting this custom.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 10 May 2006, 10:49

Such a scene is also present in "Friend" ("Chingu") and "Beat".

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 10 May 2006, 12:46

EvaUnit02 wrote:ask here if you can't figure out how to get the £2 discount

Please ask here instead:

https://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/ ... &start=340

EvaUnit02 wrote:Just avoid the R2UK Tartan release since it's complete pants.

Considering the price I'd agree BUT it's definitely better than the HK R3 you link to. That has a woeful Interlaced NTSC picture. The Tartan is NTSC to PAL but at least has a 42 minute interview.

I'd definitely pick up the Korean R3 like Eva says though.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 17 May 2006, 13:21

Review of the Tartan. Transfer is a NTSC-PAL shitfest, but the reviewer says that the Park interview is 'great'.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 17 May 2006, 13:37

Why even bother reviewing it if they are not going to compare.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 20 May 2006, 16:10

I was wondering that but DVD Beaver do comparisons as well as reviews (not that it's actually a review). There's bound to be a comparison elsewhere on the site.

EvaUnit02 wrote:Review of the Tartan. Transfer is a NTSC-PAL shitfest, but the reviewer says that the Park interview is 'great'.

That's not actually what he says is it Eva. It sounds more like your opinion than the reviewers. Not that I'm interested in this case.

I'm keeping my eye on the R4 but otherwise I'll be keeping my Korean LE for sometime to come.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 04 Aug 2006, 18:31

Park Chan-Wook's Vengeance Trilogy Box Set in October WITH lots of new Extras (including F2B):

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=62363

It's a shame Mr. Vengeance and Lady Vengeance (Colour version at least) will still be NTSC-PAL.

I'd be interested if I didn't already own the excellent Old Boy 2 Disc and Sympathy for Lady Vengeance 2 Disc Korean LE. I'm only really interested in F2B and I already have that.

It's a pity Mr. Vengeance isn't available separately as I'd like to pick that up, oh well back to the R1.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 04 Aug 2006, 21:17

Brad do you mean you have the Tartan Oldboy?
I agree with you I'm happy with what I've got.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 04 Aug 2006, 23:04

Yes.

I've not picked Mr. Vengeance up yet so I'd much prefer this over the R1 and R4 so it's a pity I won't be able to but then it is an NTSC to PAL transfer (and I hear not a very good one at that) so maybe it's not to bad.

I'd also like a definitive Lady Vengeance which this looks to "finally" give us (Both versions with DTS and lots of extras) but as I already own the Korean DVD I really can't be bothered.

I have both versions with that one and can play DTS so don't give a monkeys the F2B is only DTS (I'd have prefered it if the Colour version had DTS too).

As per Mr. Vengeance I've also got a feeling I'll like Lady Vengence and I know Old Boy is flipping awesome but the change of mood and feel in Mr. Vengeance I've got an inkling I may not actually like to much. Many Korean flicks most love I find average.

So it's probably a good idea to get that separately just in case.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 05 Aug 2006, 12:57

Is anyone going to get this?

Bullets 'n' Babes

Sympathy for Lady Vengeance

Which is the better version - Colour or Fade to Black?