September 11th Aftermath - Poll inside...

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 15 Feb 2006, 18:53

These incidents must be exposed and dealt with, but what worries me is that it will change people's opinion of what soldiers do. I'm sure the vast majority do a fine job - would you have the balls to put your ass on the line, protect and possibly die for your country? I wouldn't.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 15 Feb 2006, 18:56

and if torturing a kid gives them some plans that a bomb is planted somewhere and would kill hundreds? for me its something that has, and always will be done, as the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and if your looking to kill people then your family has to be brought into it is they can get an answer from some killers mouth.

Shen · Post by **Shen** » 15 Feb 2006, 18:58

so tell me romero, if you had kids, and they arrested you on suspect of being a terrorist how would you feel if they tortured your kids? would you say what they wanted to hear to spare your kids?

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 15 Feb 2006, 19:05

Torturing kids??? Jesus thats harsh Romero, what have the kids done????

would you say what they wanted to hear to spare your kids?

Interestingly in 24: S3 Jack Bauer uses that trick by making Steven Saunders think his daughter will be killed (she isnt BTW) if he doesnt co-operate with CTU.

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 15 Feb 2006, 19:11

grim_tales wrote:These incidents must be exposed and dealt with, but what worries me is that it will change people's opinion of what soldiers do. I'm sure the vast majority do a fine job - would you have the balls to put your ass on the line, protect and possibly die for your country? I wouldn't.

Pfff, I hate my country. I'd probably help the opposition

I'd never become a soldier, letting other people make decisions about my life, and maybe death. Plus I'm not gonna let our dumbass goverments decide who I must fight, and who are my 'friends'.

I have respect for people who volunteer for humanitarian missions, building up a country again etc... but actively fighting just so America, England and Holland can get a grasp on the oil of the middle-east, and place thousands of troops in countries they dont belong!? hell no.

Nothing to do with guts. I just dont care enough about the cause of our goverments, nor do I trust their motives and judgement, to get involved. Let them fight their own battles.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 15 Feb 2006, 19:18

grim_tales wrote:LOL I could say "Thats fucked up" if you want. I dont feel the need to swear all the time

Grim, I'm shocked you foul-mouthed little so-and-so.

Bed and no supper!!

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 15 Feb 2006, 19:43

If someone knows how to stop the death of people then yes torture should be used. Or is it better to let things like 9/11 happen even if you know the person in custody has the power to stop it and wont talk? Then your faimly could be killed next by the igonrat killers, and when the government say they had them in custody and didnt do everything in their power to make them talk I am sure that will make you see great.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 15 Feb 2006, 22:40

LOL, I'd tell them anything they'd want to hear from me if they started torturing my child, parents, siblings or friends in front of my eyes.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 16 Feb 2006, 01:10

Yes and I am sure they know whats bulls shit and whats not.

If you could save 3000 lives (some of them your family) by torturing 1 person, would you? of course you would. Its wrong, and probibly evil and you will probibly go to hell forever for it, but at the time to save people I am sure it seems a fair trade off.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 16 Feb 2006, 01:44

So far, I know of no case where a tortured prisoner has helped to prevent the killing of 3000 or so people. Do you? The thing is that they DO have innocent people held and they DO torture most of them whenever a new lead comes up.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 16 Feb 2006, 01:53

Thats becuase we never hear about such tortures etc...

I have heard many such tales in past wars, so yes it does happen. I remember a german leaders family was killed in front of him during WW2 when they got down to the children he gave in and that saved thousands of people, I am sure there are thousands of such events, but most just aint news or are hidden away.

Not saying its right really, but they dont just torture people for pure fun (well not all of them all the time). I am pretty sure some of them locked away have to be in there for a reason, but again like we will veer find out.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 16 Feb 2006, 08:48

thelostdragon wrote:LOL, I'd tell them anything they'd want to hear from me if they started torturing my child, parents, siblings or friends in front of my eyes.

Me too probably. Thats' why I'm not sure if torture necessarily would work (thats what I meant) You have to prove a person is guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

slasher13 · Post by **slasher13** » 07 Apr 2006, 11:45

Check out the following, makes for some interesting read:
Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect

The former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents Ford and Carter has gone public to say that the official version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory and his main suspect for the architect of the attack is Vice President Dick Cheney.

Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President’s Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers Gold Medal (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country’s foremost experts on National Security.

Bowman worked secretly for the US government on the Star Wars project and was the first to coin the very term in a 1977 secret memo. After Bowman realized that the program was only ever intended to be used as an aggressive and not defensive tool, as part of a plan to initiate a nuclear war with the Soviets, he left the program and campaigned against it.

In an interview with The Alex Jones Show aired nationally on the GCN Radio Network, Bowman (pictured below) stated that at the bare minimum if Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda were involved in 9/11 then the government stood down and allowed the attacks to happen. He said it is plausible that the entire chain of military command were unaware of what was taking place and were used as tools by the people pulling the strings behind the attack.

There is more to read so click on the link.

Also check out this other link: Zacarias Moussaoui Stun Belt!!!!!

If you're looking for a reason why Zacarias Moussaoui suddenly testified today to a version of the 9/11 plotline that sounds more like the Official story than even the official Whitewash Commission report, this video may have the answer.

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September 11th Aftermath - Poll inside...

Is the war in the Middle East still justifiable with the happenings of 9/11?