Sympathy for Lady Vengeance

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 03 Mar 2006, 20:18

Nah, that's not really a spoiler.

It would be a spoiler if I told you OldBoy was about:

WARNING ! MEGA-SPOILER !
incest
WARNING ! MEGA-SPOILER !

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 03 Mar 2006, 20:29

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 04 Mar 2006, 03:18

HungFist wrote:Off topic: I would be very happy if someone told me where to get the Korean OOP Boiling Point dvd. It's one of those impossible to get dvds.

The Takeshi Kitano film? Grab the recent R4 from Madman. I haven't seen it yet, but judging from Madman's releases of Sonatine and Violent Cop (which I have - released simultaneously with Boiling Point) it sports a lovely native PAL anamorphic 1.85:1 uncropped progressive-encoded transfer plus a decent Japanese DD5.1 remix.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 04 Mar 2006, 10:11

I've been thinking about that, but their transfers often seem to have boosted contrast. I'm sure it will still be very good, but since I'm a perfectionist and don't want end up buying the same film twice (that has happeneded too many times), I think I'll just get the japanese release. Besides, for some incomprehensible reason my European TV is actually better off with NTSC than PAL. But thanks for your recommendation, that Aussie disc should be the best choice to anyone who needs subs.

The korean disc is a port of the japanese, just with subs added, that's why I've been looking for it. dvdasian is the only place I know that is selling it but they are screwing their customers, just as usual. I've already tried them. They'll just charge your credit card, wait a month and then inform you that "sorry but we can't get it".

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 04 Mar 2006, 11:42

HungFist wrote:The korean disc is a port of the japanese, just with subs added, that's why I've been looking for it. dvdasian is the only place I know that is selling it but they are screwing their customers, just as usual. I've already tried them. They'll just charge your credit card, wait a month and then inform you that "sorry but we can't get it".

Whatever floats your boat mate. If you prefer to go on a wild goose chase for an over-priced & hard-to-find DVD then good for you. I'll be happy with the excellent R4 release when I buy it from the shops just down the road from my Uni.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 09 Mar 2006, 11:40

How much of the "Fade to Black" version is in black and white? In minutes if possible?

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 09 Mar 2006, 11:44

Well, I have the DVD, but only took a quick look at it. As the specs say, it fades to black and white. Which means that as the film progresses it loses colour and I guess it is the last scene (or maybe even frame) we see that is COMPLETELY colourless.

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 09 Mar 2006, 12:24

-How much of the "Fade to Black" version is in black and white? In minutes if possible?
-I guess it is the last scene (or maybe even frame) we see that is COMPLETELY colourless.

Nope. The fade to black starts around the 60 minute mark (chapter 13).
Around the 83 minute mark the film is totally black and white (except for some "things" that remain coloured).
At the 100 minute mark the film seems to develop a blueish tint that remains until the end credits.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 09 Mar 2006, 12:29

It sounds effective is it? I'm still trying to work out which cut is the better one?

I need to decide which cut to watch first. Thanks

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 09 Mar 2006, 12:36

I watched the coloured cut and will not watch the b&w cut anytime soon as I have no DTS system in my living room, so I'd have to watch it on my computer which sucks.

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 09 Mar 2006, 12:37

TBH:
I remember watching it in colour at the theater, and in the last part of the movie colours become unnecessary.
The last part is all about the characters, and it's well known that black and white helps you focus on the actors.

my 2 cents.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 09 Mar 2006, 15:30

thelostdragon wrote:I watched the coloured cut and will not watch the b&w cut anytime soon as I have no DTS system in my living room, so I'd have to watch it on my computer which sucks.

Or you could use dvddecrypter-->dvdlabpro method to make a new dvd. First use dvddecrypter on both discs, then use dvdlabpro to create a new dvd file. Take audio from disc 1 and video file from disc 2. That's what I did.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 09 Mar 2006, 15:31

And you had no syncing issues?

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 09 Mar 2006, 15:35

bradavon wrote:And you had no syncing issues?

Nope. That scared the shit out of me when I was waiting for my dvd to arrive. But both versions have the exact same running time, so no problems.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 09 Mar 2006, 15:38

You'd lose quality though going from a DVD-9 to DVD-5.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 09 Mar 2006, 17:49

I still have those bad eyes and can't see any difference between the original and slightly compressed version. And what are the options for those who don't have DTS capability?
1) dvd player with no sound
2) computer
3) compressed dvd with minor quality loss

See

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 09 Mar 2006, 17:53

Yep it would be minor. I like option 4:

4) Buy a DTS Decoder/Amp/Receiver you cheap skate

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 09 Mar 2006, 18:00

bradavon wrote:Yep it would be minor. I like option 4:

4) Buy a DTS Decoder/Amp/Receiver you cheap skate

I'd like that too. But I'm a poor student who uses all his money on dvds... maybe some day.

Besides, "Original Mono" is the most precious phrase I know...

EDIT: wait a second, I'm not a student anymore. I totally forgot. Well, I will be soon (hopefully)

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 15 Mar 2006, 11:16

grim_tales wrote:Maybe I'm just a klutz but the Lady Vengeance discs (in the Korean SE) are hard to put back on the platters once you've finished the film. I can get them off fine Has anyone else noticed this?

Mine arrived yesterday. It's easy to see why many love Korean DVDs, as usual the packaging is lovely BUT tbh for £15.99 it bloody should be.

To answer your question nope mine come out and go back in fine.

p.s - Which version did you watch? Decent?

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 15 Mar 2006, 11:41

I watched the colour version and thought it was bloody brilliant

Strange that only the DC has DTS though.
So the twist is Gwem-ja kidnapped the little boy because Mr. Beuk (sp?) told her to, otherwise her daughter would get killed.. right?

Fair enough that the other thread was locked.
Maybe its just me being stupid then Tom, it takes me ages before I can get the discs back on the thingies properly.
Its a nice digipack though.

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 15 Mar 2006, 11:53

No, Grim.

Geum-ja didn't kidnap the little boy AT ALL.
You really need to watch it again.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 15 Mar 2006, 11:56

Ah. I think I understand.
The male teacher kidnapped the little boy, but he tells Guem-ja to take all the blame otherwise he will kill her daughter. Is that right? (Thats what Guem-ja says in the film).

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 15 Mar 2006, 11:58

Of course, that's why she doesn't know how to kill the boy when the police do the reconstitution. She doesn't know because she didn't do it.
Only the detective knows how the boy was killed, and that's why he's helping her to some extent.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 15 Mar 2006, 12:11

He he keep going guys all this spoiler talk makes me want to check out SFLV more

I hear SFLV is closer in tone to Oldboy than SFMV which is a good thing in my books. I've barely stopped thinking about Oldboy since watching it.

Easily the best Korean film I've ever seen.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 29 Apr 2006, 08:44

A few questions:-
1. So, which version is the "Director's Cut"?
2. Is the story completely standalone from SFMV?
3. Just to make 100% sure, there's definitely subs on the F2B version (of the R3K 2-discer)?

NOOOOOOOOO... a digipack!

Bullets 'n' Babes

Sympathy for Lady Vengeance

Which is the better version - Colour or Fade to Black?