the wild bunch 2-disc SE....

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 22 Jan 2006, 13:50

throw that old snapper/flipper version away this american classic is now out on a 2 disc se. got mine yesterday

anyone else like this peckinpah classic?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 22 Jan 2006, 16:52

Yeah, I was thinking about picking this up.

Does it restore the old MPAA cuts... or is it exactly the same as the previous "director's cut"

The most complete version was the P&S UK tape.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 22 Jan 2006, 18:24

don't know but it's advertised as the restored director's cut. i never knew it was cut,are you saying mark that the director's cut is censored- it's longer than the old uk tape right?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 22 Jan 2006, 18:31

No, the old UK tape - in glorious pan and spam - was the complete European cut, in other words the "director's cut", but uncensored.

The US versions have always been slightly censored for an R-rating - even the alleged "director's cut" which is now many mins longer than the theatrical cut, which apparently removed all the flashbacks.

I'll see if I can find the cuts info.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 22 Jan 2006, 18:38

Here's what's been restored:

"The complete film, and the only version to which Peckinpah ever lent his wholehearted imprimatur, is the European version of 1969, which is 145 minutes long and contains: the flashback showing how Thornton was captured; (2) the flashback showing how Pike's lover, Aurora, was killed and he himself wounded; (3) the scene in the desert that establishes Crazy Lee is Sykes's grandson and that Pike deliberately abandoned him in the opening robbery; (4) the raid by Villa on Mapache as he awaits the telegram; (5) the aftermath of Villa's raid in Agua Verde; and (6) about a minute's worth of the festivities at night in Angel's village."

From the IMDB.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 22 Jan 2006, 19:02

Sorry, couldn't find that info on the 1969 'R' cuts, but from memory one line was removed about a whore' nipple, and Angel's throat being slashed, possibly amongst others.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 22 Jan 2006, 20:56

Markgway wrote:Here's what's been restored:

"The complete film, and the only version to which Peckinpah ever lent his wholehearted imprimatur, is the European version of 1969, which is 145 minutes long and contains: the flashback showing how Thornton was captured; (2) the flashback showing how Pike's lover, Aurora, was killed and he himself wounded; (3) the scene in the desert that establishes Crazy Lee is Sykes's grandson and that Pike deliberately abandoned him in the opening robbery; (4) the raid by Villa on Mapache as he awaits the telegram; (5) the aftermath of Villa's raid in Agua Verde; and (6) about a minute's worth of the festivities at night in Angel's village."

From the IMDB.

although i haven't watched the dvd yet,there's additional scenes on disc 2 maybe it's this footage?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 23 Jan 2006, 01:30

No, Sam, those scenes from the European version ARE back in the "director's cut"

(I think I'm just confusing you...lol)

What isn't restored, are the censorship cuts made in 1969 by the MPAA, as briefly outlined above. So the old Warner UK tape is the slightly longer X version. THAT's technically the "director's cut"

The NEW "director's cut" is basically the long version, with censorship.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 23 Jan 2006, 10:17

Markgway wrote:No, Sam, those scenes from the European version ARE back in the "director's cut"

(I think I'm just confusing you...lol)

What isn't restored, are the censorship cuts made in 1969 by the MPAA, as briefly outlined above. So the old Warner UK tape is the slightly longer X version. THAT's technically the "director's cut"

The NEW "director's cut" is basically the long version, with censorship.

pity they couldn't restore the footage or put both versions on the release. but the wild bunch in p&s is

virtually unwatchable imo.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 23 Jan 2006, 10:40

I'd be interested in this Wild Bunch SE, I've only seen the "flipper" version before.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 23 Jan 2006, 10:50

Hey,

Play give the runtime as 138 minutes, is that the same as the old release Mark?

Sam do you mean you have the R1, the R2 is not out till February

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 23 Jan 2006, 10:55

yes,i have the region 1 version.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 23 Jan 2006, 10:58

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 23 Jan 2006, 15:17

138m is the PAL run time, 145m NTSC.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 23 Jan 2006, 15:28

It'll be interesting to see if those cuts are restored then. The Wild Bunch was pre-cut in 1969 by the BBFC as well BTW, maybe those were same MPAA trims?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 23 Jan 2006, 19:19

The cuts made to "the director's cut" have nothing to do with the BBFC cinema cuts which were waived back in the 80's for VHS.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 23 Jan 2006, 19:22

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 03 Feb 2006, 18:54

Have you checked out the film sam to see which version it is?

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 04 Feb 2006, 01:44

DVD Beaver comparison:

http://www.compare.dvdbeaver.com/film/D ... -bunch.htm

p.s - I never knew my flipper was cropped -

. Not that I've ever watched it.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 04 Feb 2006, 02:04

The new edition is an improvement, but disappointingly soft.

I hope the R2 looks better.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 04 Feb 2006, 10:16

grim_tales wrote:Have you checked out the film sam to see which version it is?

it's the same version as the original flipper release but obviously an improved picture and decent extras.plus it's not a flipper.

jimmyscab · Post by **jimmyscab** » 05 Feb 2006, 16:01

Does anyone know if the Peckinpah Western Collection is coming to R2 land ?

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 05 Feb 2006, 16:58

jimmyscab wrote:Does anyone know if the Peckinpah Western Collection is coming to R2 land ?

It most certainly is.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 05 Feb 2006, 17:06

Also for the interest of Peckinpah fans, A remaster of Cross of Iron (at last).

thedvdforums wrote: Reported in the 'Peckinpah' thread, but worth a shout here. From Davis DVD:

Hen's Tooth Video has announced a new special edition of director Sam Peckinpah's Cross of Iron, the only war film directed by late filmmaker. Due on April 18th, the disc will feature a brand-new remastered anamorphic transfer of the 132-minute version with Dolby Digital 2.0 tracks. Extras will include an audio commentary with film scholar and "Savage Cinema: Sam Peckinpah and the Rise of Ultraviolent Movies" author Stephen Prince, a photo gallery of German lobby cards and the original theatrical trailer. Retail will be $29.95. The previously released fullscreen edition (ugh) will still be available.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 14 Feb 2006, 19:12

Mark IMDB also say this:

The 1995 restoration, which runs 144 minutes and 24 seconds, returns to the European version but drops the intermission, which was originally inserted just before the train robbery, the first half of the film ending with Pike and Dutch on the trail and Pike's line, "This is our last go-round, Dutch, this time we do it right." As the intermission was created in the first place only in response to the European distributor's demand for a roadshow engagement, it has been left out of the restoration. Warner Home Video's current video tape and laserdisc, both widescreen, are from the 1995 restoration, which, despite some claims to the contrary, is to the version that Sam Peckinpah himself prepared and authorized for release in 1969 and it represents his final cut of The Wild Bunch.

I'll probably get the new SE, I've only seen the old R2 flipper before.