Not by much 8)Markgway wrote:That's just cause I'm older. 8)grim_tales wrote:You tend to see more films than I.
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Old Boy - 4/5
Thoroughly enjoyed this. Check out my mini-review over at www.asianfilmreviews.tk if you feel like it...
Thoroughly enjoyed this. Check out my mini-review over at www.asianfilmreviews.tk if you feel like it...
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HARD TARGET - WORKPRINT
I won't review it because this version isn't in a finished state (ie. no original soundtrack) except to say I watched it last night and then the Euro cut this morning and honestly IMO there's nothing missing from the Euro that makes the WP a better film. It's like the difference between a first draft of a novel and the published article. Fun to see the extra footage but frankly I'm glad most of it was cut (almost all of the violence can be found in the Euro cut anyways and it has a better ending).
There are two short bits from the WP I would like to see put back if some "Director's Cut" came about. 1. The scene where the fat fuck's ear is scissored off - not because it's gorier - which it is - but because it happens to look censored in the Euro print. It's not, it's just appears that way, largely because of the sound editing. The shots feel more complete in the WP. 2. Roper's death - which in the Euro is quite brief. However in the WP he gets shot A LOT more and in a heroic show of defiance actually gets up off the ground to take a second load of hits. This is the most potent scene in the film and wouldn't be out of place in Bullet in the Head. It really makes you feel for the character and would be worth reinstating.
Otherwise... the Euro cut is to me the (near)definitive edition.
I won't review it because this version isn't in a finished state (ie. no original soundtrack) except to say I watched it last night and then the Euro cut this morning and honestly IMO there's nothing missing from the Euro that makes the WP a better film. It's like the difference between a first draft of a novel and the published article. Fun to see the extra footage but frankly I'm glad most of it was cut (almost all of the violence can be found in the Euro cut anyways and it has a better ending).
There are two short bits from the WP I would like to see put back if some "Director's Cut" came about. 1. The scene where the fat fuck's ear is scissored off - not because it's gorier - which it is - but because it happens to look censored in the Euro print. It's not, it's just appears that way, largely because of the sound editing. The shots feel more complete in the WP. 2. Roper's death - which in the Euro is quite brief. However in the WP he gets shot A LOT more and in a heroic show of defiance actually gets up off the ground to take a second load of hits. This is the most potent scene in the film and wouldn't be out of place in Bullet in the Head. It really makes you feel for the character and would be worth reinstating.
Otherwise... the Euro cut is to me the (near)definitive edition.
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Out For A Kill - 1/5
It just gets worse! Since when has "ni hao" meant "asshole"?! Now my Mandarin isn't great, but I'm positive "ni hao" means "hello"! Stupid subtitles!
Stupid use of dubbing as well. What's the point? I can understand for old HK films where the budget was non-existant or there was too much background noise, but for a new film there really is no excuse for such lousy dubbing!
Lame fight scenes too. Why does Steven Seagal try to look like he's just stepped out of a "wire-fu" (hate that term) film? He should stick to the aikido techniques and create more realistic ground-based fight scenes.
I mean, the fight with the monkey kung fu barber was just daft! Running along walls? Yes, in a fantasy martial arts film it works, but in a supposedly reality-based thriller it was completely out of place!
Rubbish.
It just gets worse! Since when has "ni hao" meant "asshole"?! Now my Mandarin isn't great, but I'm positive "ni hao" means "hello"! Stupid subtitles!
Stupid use of dubbing as well. What's the point? I can understand for old HK films where the budget was non-existant or there was too much background noise, but for a new film there really is no excuse for such lousy dubbing!
Lame fight scenes too. Why does Steven Seagal try to look like he's just stepped out of a "wire-fu" (hate that term) film? He should stick to the aikido techniques and create more realistic ground-based fight scenes.
I mean, the fight with the monkey kung fu barber was just daft! Running along walls? Yes, in a fantasy martial arts film it works, but in a supposedly reality-based thriller it was completely out of place!
Rubbish.
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Maybe it's an underlying meaning???IronMonkey wrote:It just gets worse! Since when has "ni hao" meant "asshole"?!
Looping is common even in sync-sound films, but usually it's done by expert ADR so we don't notice the joins. For this no-budget piffle I doubt they cared. At least it seems to be mostly Seagal this time, either that or they got a half-decent impersonator. In Belly of the Beast the dubber sounded nothing like him!Stupid use of dubbing as well. What's the point?
Agreed. It's especially awful because Steve is so fat and looks like the only exercize he gets these days is wiping the cheeseburger grease from his lips.Lame fight scenes too. Why does Steven Seagal try to look like he's just stepped out of a "wire-fu" (hate that term) film? He should stick to the aikido techniques and create more realistic ground-based fight scenes.
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Polar Express - 4/5
Aye that's the thing. Very surreal film which looked great in the cinema, especially the roller coaster segments. Superb visuals and fluid animation. Some of the body movements and details were surprisingly lifelike. Tom Hanks rules as well.
OMG I'd love to watch this at the IMAX imo.
Aye that's the thing. Very surreal film which looked great in the cinema, especially the roller coaster segments. Superb visuals and fluid animation. Some of the body movements and details were surprisingly lifelike. Tom Hanks rules as well.
OMG I'd love to watch this at the IMAX imo.

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Welcome to Dongmakgol : 4,9/5
Now THAT's what I call a great movie.
Lots of comedy, lots of drama, great music..
+The wild boar hunt scene is absolutely awesome.
I didn't know you could kill a 7-foot tall wild boar with a stick.
Now THAT's what I call a great movie.
Lots of comedy, lots of drama, great music..
+The wild boar hunt scene is absolutely awesome.
I didn't know you could kill a 7-foot tall wild boar with a stick.
I used to be "the man who loves the movies you hate".
Now I'm just "that weird french guy with a cat avatar who comes to BnB once a year for no reason and then disappears again".
Now I'm just "that weird french guy with a cat avatar who comes to BnB once a year for no reason and then disappears again".
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Tom Tom Tom. You know how to make me feel uber jealous. :xTom2681 wrote:Welcome to Dongmakgol : 4,9/5
Now THAT's what I call a great movie.
Lots of comedy, lots of drama, great music..
+The wild boar hunt scene is absolutely awesome.
I didn't know you could kill a 7-foot tall wild boar with a stick.
It seems that films about the Korea divide = automatic hit. Itching to see this.

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Next time you buy a korean dvd, you gotta buy this one too.Bisc wrote:Itching to see this.
Dongmakgol may not be as good as JSA but it comes pretty close IMO.
I used to be "the man who loves the movies you hate".
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It was worth seeing still you have to admitMarkgway wrote:HARD TARGET - WORKPRINT
I won't review it because this version isn't in a finished state (ie. no original soundtrack) except to say I watched it last night and then the Euro cut this morning and honestly IMO there's nothing missing from the Euro that makes the WP a better film. It's like the difference between a first draft of a novel and the published article. Fun to see the extra footage but frankly I'm glad most of it was cut (almost all of the violence can be found in the Euro cut anyways and it has a better ending).
There are two short bits from the WP I would like to see put back if some "Director's Cut" came about. 1. The scene where the fat fuck's ear is scissored off - not because it's gorier - which it is - but because it happens to look censored in the Euro print. It's not, it's just appears that way, largely because of the sound editing. The shots feel more complete in the WP. 2. Roper's death - which in the Euro is quite brief. However in the WP he gets shot A LOT more and in a heroic show of defiance actually gets up off the ground to take a second load of hits. This is the most potent scene in the film and wouldn't be out of place in Bullet in the Head. It really makes you feel for the character and would be worth reinstating.
Otherwise... the Euro cut is to me the (near)definitive edition.
Still we await a special edtion one day, maybe HD will spring forth a nice dition, but I seriosutly dont expect this film ever to get a perfect version with any extras etc..
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It's my guess - and I stress guess - that the Euro cut is pretty much what Woo would have released in the US had the MPAA not interfered. The editing structure of the WP is different and you can clearly see that the Euro cut refines the editing and looks far more the finished article. Only the ear-cutting seems a little censored (but it was perhaps cut by Woo BEFORE submission as he was aware he had to avoid extreme violence, hence why it's still missing for the Euro cut). Most movies are subject to re-edits and changes with or without studio interference and so the idea that Woo's director's cut would've been significantly different from the Euro cut is to me unlikely. I suspect this is the exact same scenario as The Killer whereby Woo's first cut (or first draft) was released in Taiwan and simply because it was longer everyone cried director's cut. Woo had yet to complete editing and I'd imagine the same thing happened on Hard Target. Of course until Woo speaks forth my words are only speculation but that's my opinion.
And yeah, it was still fun to watch the WP as a bonus.
And yeah, it was still fun to watch the WP as a bonus.
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King Kong (2005) - 5/5
Way to go Mr Jackson. I'll admit, I was very spectical of PJ wanting to do King Kong after the LOTR trilogy. Judging by the average Hollywood remake, I wasn't exactly hopeful and felt that this move would be a step down for the director.
How wrong was I? In all honesty, this is the best remake in the world. The filmmakers have taken a 1933 classic and revamped it to suit today's audiences. There is a lot more emotion, the underlying themes and messages about man vs nature are more apparant, and of course the visuals are absolutely stunning. It is a chapter by chapter remake of the 1933 version but has been extended to cater for character development and some fantastic battle segments. Even the deleted scene from the 1933 version (spider pit) has been included here with unappologetic greusomenes. There are lovely homages to the original Kong as well. All in all, this is exactly how a remake should be.
Way to go Mr Jackson. I'll admit, I was very spectical of PJ wanting to do King Kong after the LOTR trilogy. Judging by the average Hollywood remake, I wasn't exactly hopeful and felt that this move would be a step down for the director.
How wrong was I? In all honesty, this is the best remake in the world. The filmmakers have taken a 1933 classic and revamped it to suit today's audiences. There is a lot more emotion, the underlying themes and messages about man vs nature are more apparant, and of course the visuals are absolutely stunning. It is a chapter by chapter remake of the 1933 version but has been extended to cater for character development and some fantastic battle segments. Even the deleted scene from the 1933 version (spider pit) has been included here with unappologetic greusomenes. There are lovely homages to the original Kong as well. All in all, this is exactly how a remake should be.

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Spider-Man 2
Spider-Man 2 - 4.5/5
Fantastic.
Surprisingly for a PG rated (UK) film, this had a significantly darker tone than the first film in the series, with at least as much violence, where Peter questions his identity, and shows that he's not without capcity for getting things wrong (getting fired, always being late, standing MJ up), so He diecides to give up being Spider-Man.
It reminded me of the excellent Sins of the Fathers cartoon episode, where he decides he won't be Spidey anymore, but then he meets a little girl and he tells her how he became Spider-Man. (Aunt May says in the movie "Every child needs a hero").
There are some nice comic touches though, like the Japanese woman playing the Spider-Man theme on the violin
Doc Ock makes an excellent villain. Is he only "evil" because there was trouble with his mechanical arms, so they were controlling him, not the other way round
Also for any fans of Kirsten Dunst, there's a great scene near the end of the movie similar to the wet dress scene in Film 1, but I won't spoil it for you!
Could Harry Osborn signal the Green Goblin's return in Film 3? I know he wants vengeance on Spidey, but didnt he know his dad was the Goblin?
In short, awesome film
Fantastic.
Surprisingly for a PG rated (UK) film, this had a significantly darker tone than the first film in the series, with at least as much violence, where Peter questions his identity, and shows that he's not without capcity for getting things wrong (getting fired, always being late, standing MJ up), so He diecides to give up being Spider-Man.
It reminded me of the excellent Sins of the Fathers cartoon episode, where he decides he won't be Spidey anymore, but then he meets a little girl and he tells her how he became Spider-Man. (Aunt May says in the movie "Every child needs a hero").
There are some nice comic touches though, like the Japanese woman playing the Spider-Man theme on the violin
Doc Ock makes an excellent villain. Is he only "evil" because there was trouble with his mechanical arms, so they were controlling him, not the other way round
Also for any fans of Kirsten Dunst, there's a great scene near the end of the movie similar to the wet dress scene in Film 1, but I won't spoil it for you!
Could Harry Osborn signal the Green Goblin's return in Film 3? I know he wants vengeance on Spidey, but didnt he know his dad was the Goblin?
In short, awesome film
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Hmmm! In the German version of the animated series, Harry Osborne is called the Yellow Gnome, unlike his father, the Green Gnome.
And by the way... I was wrong saying that the Lizard will be the villain in part 3. It was planned that way once, lol, but now they have two villains.
Sandman and...
...VENOM!!!
Yahoooo!
And by the way... I was wrong saying that the Lizard will be the villain in part 3. It was planned that way once, lol, but now they have two villains.
Sandman and...
...VENOM!!!
Yahoooo!
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Cool
Venom is a fantastic villain in the animated series. I wonder if we'll see Spidey try out the Venom costume? 
I don't remember what Harry was called, but Norman was always the "Green Goblin" to me.
As for the bit at the end of the film, yes Spiderman killed his father, but doesnt Harry understand his father was the Goblin thus got corrupted and evil
I don't remember what Harry was called, but Norman was always the "Green Goblin" to me.
As for the bit at the end of the film, yes Spiderman killed his father, but doesnt Harry understand his father was the Goblin thus got corrupted and evil

