I hate Political Correctness

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 17 Oct 2005, 19:34

'Snow White and the Vertically Challenged People' !?

Man, the sad thing is that all this whiney bitchy stuff usually comes from people who aren't even dwarves or gnomes or little people or whatever you call it, themselfs. it's usually just housewifes or oversensitive guys who wanna protect the feelings of some group, who I guess they fear can't speak out for themselfs or whatever...

Political correctness of this kind should be outlawed...

If the campaigners ARE little people themselfs, being oversensitive, then I fear they've stooped to new lows...

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 17 Oct 2005, 21:43

Niggers are niggers.
Dwarves are dwarves.

I can't figure out why we can't call things by their name.

I hate political correctness too.

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 17 Oct 2005, 23:59

Well... I do think that terms like 'nigger' etc are disrespectfull, mainly because it is MEANT to be disrespectfull. I just can't stand it when innocent stuff, like this snow white and seven dwarfes shit is suddenly deemed 'offensive. That's just a load of bullshit.

I'm not going to call a black guy a nigger, and I'm not going to call a little person a dwarf... but I AM going to call Grumpy, Sleepy and Moody (Hell I dont know all their names but they seem to be thick, lazy and annoying midgets to hang out with) DWARVES, cause that's what they are, according to the guy who wrote the fucking fairytale.

Hell, if they're so fucking sensitive about their height, they should have just grown taller, that's what I say.
Midgets have it pretty good actually... even when a big fat old ugly tard comes and sits next to you on the bus, you will still have plenty of room. In an airplane, where everybody is cramped up, you'll have plenty of space to enjoy. You can still fool Father Xmas into stuffing your lil baby shoes with presents.

See.... there's always a silver lining somewhere...

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 18 Oct 2005, 00:52

What about the term 'Eskimo'? I've heard that this is a bad word now, too. Instead one should now say 'Inuit', lol!

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 18 Oct 2005, 07:29

Tom2681 wrote:Niggers are niggers.
Dwarves are dwarves.

I can't figure out why we can't call things by their name.

I hate political correctness too.

I wouldn't say niggers, Tom. That IS disrespectful and hurtful.
As for dwarf, isnt there a term "Dwarfism"?

I've never understood why "Eskimo" is un-PC

Mordib · Post by **Mordib** » 18 Oct 2005, 09:08

'Eskimo' is widely considered to mean 'eater of raw meat' and is the name given to them from whoever it was first came accross them abd bothered to write down an account. I think the other suggested meaning is 'maker of snowshoes' or something like that

either way, this is one of the few pc thingies i appreciate, i mean if someone came to the uk, the first few people they met were smelly so they named us smelly in their journal and got the whole world to call us smelly too, we'd be a little pissed off no?

Dwarf is one of those words that wasnt offensive until a few people described as dwarfs took aoffence and demanded the use of the more scientific names for their conditions. It doesnt actually mean anything particularly offensive as far as i know..

'nigger' is an adaptation of words like negro, niger (french?) etc etc which were simple descriptive words. 'nigger' itself however was a term created and used almost exclusively in the early 1800s as a derogatory phrase. Its sole purpose was to be offensive. Like people calling me 'puke' instead of 'luke' but on a somewhat larger scale ...

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 18 Oct 2005, 09:14

Yeah, "nigger" is basically a bastardizarion of the word negro, while negro is a simple descriptive term as you say, nigger was used almost always in an insulting way.

I didnt know that about "eskimo", thanks.

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 18 Oct 2005, 09:50

Actually you're right about "Nigger / Negro".

In French the word "Nigger" doesn't really exist.
There's only "Nègre" which means "Negro". But since it has recently become a bad word in French, I'm now translating it as "Nigger".

My point is: Nigg...errm...Neg...erm... Black people (

) usually call themselves "niggers" when they speak to one another. So I don't get wy they can call themselves that and we can't.

"Eskimo" is a safe word in French. We have an ice-cream called "Eskimo", so that word won't die.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 18 Oct 2005, 10:05

Yeah they call themselves niggas or something.
Do you remember the scene in Rush Hour where Chris Tucker says "What's up my nigga?" or something to his friend, then Jackie says the same thing but gets beaten up. Jackie doesnt mean to cause offence there.
In France, what are "les magrebains" (sp?) I'm sure I heard that term when I did GCSE/A Level French.

Mordib · Post by **Mordib** » 18 Oct 2005, 10:23

mockery of oneself is very different from mockery of others. a stand up comedian who spends the entire night taking the piss out of the audience will not get as many laughs as the stand up comedian who mocks themself in equal or greater measure.

the short version - black people calling each other niggers is not as insulting as non blacks calling them niggers because the illogic of one black person calling another nigger turns it from an offensive phrase to a self mocking one.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 18 Oct 2005, 10:38

Good explanation Mordib

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 18 Oct 2005, 10:46

Grim wrote: In France, what are "les magrebains" (sp?) I'm sure I heard that term when I did GCSE

Maghrébins = People who come from the Maghreb, which is a region in North Africa. (Mauritania, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Libya, Western Sahara).

AFAIK it's not a bad word (yet).

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 18 Oct 2005, 11:46

I didnt think it was in itself

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 18 Oct 2005, 19:40

Mordib wrote:the short version - black people calling each other niggers is not as insulting as non blacks calling them niggers because the illogic of one black person calling another nigger turns it from an offensive phrase to a self mocking one.

I find it moronic. If I find it offensive for black person to call me a honky then I'm hardly going to go around calling myself one am I? "Hey, what's up my honky?" Dumb, dumb, dumb... But because of PC we can't say that - we have to accept it. Anything black people say and do is of course correct and white people are devils. Glad we got that sorted then.

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 18 Oct 2005, 19:44

Markgway wrote:
Mordib wrote:the short version - black people calling each other niggers is not as insulting as non blacks calling them niggers because the illogic of one black person calling another nigger turns it from an offensive phrase to a self mocking one.
I find it moronic. If I find it offensive for black person to call me a honky then I'm hardly going to go around calling myself one am I? "Hey, what's up my honky?" Dumb, dumb, dumb... But because of PC we can't say that - we have to accept it. Anything black people say and do is of course correct and white people are devils. Glad we got that sorted then.

Quit whining, honky

brassmonkey001 · Post by **brassmonkey001** » 18 Oct 2005, 22:26

Tom2681 wrote:Niggers are niggers.

I find that comment totally unacceptable.

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 18 Oct 2005, 22:54

O-Kay... ?

Good thing I wrote this in an Anti-PC thread.

Suffice to say I disagree with you, Brass.

Going by that logic, "Whiteys are whiteys" should be unacceptable as well, but it's not.
We're so afraid of offending people, we've forgotten that we're being insulted as well.

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"Today, the implied racism of the term is so strong that the use of nigger in most situations is a social taboo in English-speaking countries."

"Many blacks refer to themselves and members of African-American community as niggers."

From Wikipedia.

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BTW: I had a black friend in highschool. Everybody (including me) called him "Nigger" as a sign of affection. There was no racism involved. 8)

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 19 Oct 2005, 10:06

How did he react to it though?

If he took no offence then cool, but he's your friend, I mean - if I went up to a black guy, who was a stranger and I didnt know him, in the street and said "Hey, nigger!" I'd probably get punched in the mouth, same if I went up to someone and said "Hey, white guy!"..

See what I mean?

Mordib · Post by **Mordib** » 19 Oct 2005, 12:48

Going by that logic, "Whiteys are whiteys" should be unacceptable as well, but it's not.
We're so afraid of offending people, we've forgotten that we're being insulted as well.

hang on a minute, what causes people offence doesnt fit nice logical rules. just because I or you wouldn't take offence to being called a 'whitey' or other insult (perhaps one that actually exists??

) doesn't mean others won't either. If it does matter then complain, make yourself heard as those that hate the word 'nigger' do.

you are right many people wont take you seriously but the law is on your side, men do win sexual harrasment suits against women, ethnic minorities do get convicted of race hate crimes against white people, companies and councils do win in court over tha majority of frivilous law suits. it just doesnt make good news as it destroys many of the fears and stereotypes that the media has built up over the years therefore we dont hear of it.

I realise you are just pissed off at the fact so many people you would meet in the street are too closed minded to see that pc works both ways (I do too, i seriously want to wipe out mankind, the majority are idiot scum...DIE!!!!) and has in many areas gone too far, but surely going all out the opposite direction to PC just fuels the flames??

What I mean is, you feel the concept of pc is flawed and therefore declare you cant see a problem with the word 'nigger', especially when the people the insult is aimed at use it themselves. on the paper it is hypocritical to say the least, you're attitude reads like the sane voice. In reality it is a fact of life, logic has littl place in such matters and what is written on paper rarely translates well. whether you agree with it or not, in reality if you use that word you are offending/upsetting a lot of people, is that really worth it simply to prove a point to yourself that you already believe in 100%??? to me thats illogical both in real life and on paper

I look forward to reading your reposte

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 19 Oct 2005, 13:00

I guess the difference btween the term 'Whitey' and 'Nigger' is that 'Nigger' is a word that came froma period where white people still OWNED black people, and felt black people were lower then white people, in some cases lower then dogs, and 'niggers' could get killed for even eyeballing a white woman, or actually could get killed for just being black. So the word Nigger kinda has that history to it, so it insinuates that black people are worth less then white people...

'Whitey' doesnt have that history to it, so 'we' don't associate the word with being a low kind of human...

As I said, when a term is used to cause offense, or to be disrespectfull, then it's wrong to use it. It's all about the meaning behind the use of those words.

Clearly, in Snow White's case, it isn't meant offensively towards little people, so they should just shut the fuck up.

I had a black friend who sometimes had 'friends' calling him nigger, and I asked him why he didn't kick their ass, but he was just a nice guy (almost a proffesional kickboxer now, btw...) so he just kinda laughed it off. I never called him that, though, cause I do feel it's offensive plus I never felt the need to call him that...

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 19 Oct 2005, 13:00

I realise you are just pissed off at the fact so many people you would meet in the street are too closed minded to see that pc works both ways (I do too, i seriously want to wipe out mankind, the majority are idiot scum...DIE!!!!)

Nah... i'm not Romero.

What bothers me the most is that the people who decide which words are bad are just politicians who are afraid to offend the wrong people.

I seriously doubt that it's midgets who want to ban the word "Dwarf".

Bah, in the end it's all about hypocrisy.
I'll just stay in my little corner of the galaxy, talking with my nigger friends, azn girlfriend and my 5 feet-tall cousins.

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How should we call niggers anyway ? We can't call them blacks because that would introduce a notion of colour (which IS racist).
Negro sounds quite offensive to me (slavery-like).
Can't call them coloured either (what about our yellow/red/white friends ?).

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 19 Oct 2005, 13:27

If black is racist because it introduces a notion of colour (I sorta agree BTW, "coloured" sounds very patronising), what about other people? By the same token "white" introduces a notion of colour, so what would you call them? Caucasians? (sp).

Yi makea a good about why the word nigger is offensive. However, in the book "Of Mice and Men" the main characters call the stable buck, Crooks, a nigger. (The book was written in 1936, and set in the 1930's BTW). They don't mean to be insulting, theyre just saying it as if to say "The stable buck is a black man", as if its a descriptive word. Of course we know now its an abusive word with negative conotations.

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 19 Oct 2005, 13:29

(I do too, i seriously want to wipe out mankind, the majority are idiot scum...DIE!!!!)

I actually agree we should do this: too many idiots, extremist, foul, disrespecfull, selfish and racist people on this planet that we could do without.

We should start a club or something.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 19 Oct 2005, 13:51

Whitey??? Hmmm... how about 'Blacky' then? LOL.

Besides, where does the word 'Nigger' originate from? Is it because Americans stole Africans from the country known as Niger?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 19 Oct 2005, 14:31

All negative racial slurs are equally wrong. You can't say: "It's OK for these guys over here to call me a whitey/nigger whatever, but not them over there; that's racist". It's stupid. PC never solves existing problems: it creates new ones. It's about time we all grew up and started treating each other (and ourselves) with a little dignity and respect. But as long as blacks keeping calling each other "motherfuckin' niggaz" that ain't gonna happen. Most rappers are no better stereotypes than Steppin Fetchit!