I hate Political Correctness

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 27 Sep 2005, 21:05

The world has gone PC mad!

Did you know that a hospital had banned people from smiling/cooing at newborn babies because of the fear of spreading germs?
I know its important to keep hospitals clean and sterile but FFS, why cant you happily welcome a baby into the world?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 27 Sep 2005, 21:54

I heard it was because it "invaded a little person's privacy" or some crap like that. Most parents WANT to show off their newborns with pride. If you look at the two nurses who suggested the daft notion - who look like a soured pair of lesbians - you can see why they wouldn't relate to common parental feelings.

Not sure how smiling can spread germs worse than, say, breathing??

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 28 Sep 2005, 04:13

The government is PC mad in NZ. Some Govt departments are renamed to maori equivalents, eg Housing New Zealand has been renamed Te Whare Aotearoa.

Fuck PC'ness man, because of it men are like 2nd class citizens to women in the eyes of the law. Education (at least in NZ), parental rights, etc have been tailored for women. I'm not saying we should go back to 1950's-ish patriarchism, but these days women "are more equal" than men. We should be treated the same FFS.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 28 Sep 2005, 08:26

Women have been treated far worse at the hands of men for centuries so it evens out I guess. I agree though that when women talk of equality (which I have no problem with whatsoever BTW), say in sport. they only want it on their own terms

Take tennis. Every year the female players bang on about wanting to have the same prize money as men do at Wimbledon, even though men play the best of 5 sets, and the women three.

What about golf, last year the teenager Michelle Wie (sp?) - who is a bloody good golfer BTW, played on the men's tour (I think).

Is it different/better/worse if men/women play alongside each other in sport?

Eva do you mean the depts have been renamed so they only have Maori names, or do those names go alongside the English ones?
Is Maori widely spoken?

If its not I'd imagine not many people can make head or tail of what they mean, I'm sure Maori was the original NZ language.

Mordib · Post by **Mordib** » 28 Sep 2005, 08:37

yay, another excuse to write a mini essay! actually i dont think I'll need to this time.....

Ever seen the reduced shakespeare company?? well i am to politics as they are to shakespeare...

Political Correctness - starting back in time, the majority of the western world had women as second class citizens, war etc gave the women a chance to stand up and demand rights. Many people understood, many didnt, so they started to right rules down. those that didnt understand but recognised that appeasing the pro people pretended in order to gain access to that power.

so two things emerged, people in power that didnt understand but acted upon what they thought they undestood anyway and rules that make sense once discussed but lose there logic once written down and taken literally.

claim culture emerged, the government and the public sector was a soft target, people took advantage of the written down rules to make money where common sense dictates that none should be given (common sense being irrelevant in the modern judicial system).

Public figures got scared, started making new rules to protect themselves which where then filtered down to the general public and the widespread concept of pc was born, not based on equility but based on the perception of who could sue for what.

End result, pc is abused, misused and even works to the detriment of the people it really should be working for in the first place...

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 29 Sep 2005, 04:20

grim_tales wrote:Women have been treated far worse at the hands of men for centuries so it evens out I guess.

Nothing good has ever come from dwelling on the past, it's proven that holding grievances for what happened eons before only causes pain. Eg Republican Irish, palestians, israelis, etc. I'm talking about the state of things NOW. (speaking of Ireland, the crown should just give back Northern Ireland already FFS, it would solve SO many problems. Screw the few ulster nationalists who prefer being part of the UK. To quote Spock, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.")

Eva do you mean the depts have been renamed so they only have Maori names, or do those names go alongside the English ones?

To be honest, I'm not 100% sure.

Is Maori widely spoken?

No, it ain't widely spoken. Only a small no. of people actually speak it.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 29 Sep 2005, 15:47

EvaUnit02 wrote:speaking of Ireland, the crown should just give back Northern Ireland already FFS, it would solve SO many problems. Screw the few ulster nationalists who prefer being part of the UK. To quote Spock, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.")

Well, if you actually knew anything about the politics of Northern Ireland you would know that the majority of people are Unionists and that the vocal Republican movement are, in fact, the minority. When a national referendum was held many years back the country at large (around 70%) voted to stay part of the U.K. This is not the word of extremists or terrorists on either side, but the will of the ordinary citizens.

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 03 Oct 2005, 12:51

Try this for dodgy political correctness...

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The Delhi High Court has begun to hear a petition challenging a proposed Indian government ban on images of smoking in films and on television.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 03 Oct 2005, 13:11

Do you agree with that Bisc? I know Indian movies are very strict on nudity/sex/violence etc (I've seen some Indian movies rated BBFC 18 and cant for the life of me think how they got that rating, like Om, Ghatak etc).

I may not have the spellings right

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 03 Oct 2005, 13:58

Wow, that will mean they will have to ban a WHOLE lot of movies.
Personally, I feel it's ridiculous, just as I feel most censorships are ridiculous.
This will make smoking only more 'cool' as it's now 'forbidden' in movies.

Personally, I feel it's the task of the parents, the schools and the goverment to inform the kids about the dangers of smoking, but they should still be free to make up their own minds about using it or not. Banning it from movies is just trying to blame the media for the problem, instead of the actual smokers.

...plus this will just mean more piracy, I bet, cause people are still gonna want to see movies.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 03 Oct 2005, 15:37

I've heard another story today, theres a UK office which has banned toy pigs (I think) for fear it could offend Muslims (?)
FFS, theyre just bloody toy animals.

Are they going to insist people play with toy cows instead? Why the hell are we so scared of offending anyone, when in reality, I bet almost all of the people who we think will offend by doing whatever, couldnt give a flying fuck?

Live and let live. Jeez...

Rant over!

Mordib · Post by **Mordib** » 03 Oct 2005, 15:57

Yi-Long wrote:.

Personally, I feel it's the task of the parents, the schools and the goverment to inform the kids about the dangers of smoking, but they should still be free to make up their own minds about using it or not. Banning it from movies is just trying to blame the media for the problem, instead of the actual smokers.

here here.. the same goes for unprotected sex and drugs.. humans seem to like blaming anything but themselves for their misdeeds, people need to take responsability for their actions and their childrens actions and stop blaming things like movies and tv

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 03 Oct 2005, 22:50

I'm 100% against India's ridiculous censorship laws. Funny thing is that the majority of the population are happily unaware that foreign films are butchered.

Even if they knew, I doubt they'd care. The public all want family friendly films.

I remember an Indian cinema screening a film about lesbians got burned down in a riot.

Smoking is a huge problem in India. It is more difficult for a Government as large as India's to highlight the issue - simply because of the size of the country, so many don't even have TV's, difficult to portray the message etc.

The UK had a great advert with those clogged arteries. An aggressive message like that is needed I think.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 04 Oct 2005, 08:40

grim_tales wrote:I've heard another story today, theres a UK office which has banned toy pigs (I think) for fear it could offend Muslims (?)

Sorry for the short post, but:

LOOOOL!!!

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 04 Oct 2005, 09:12

No worries, I agree its ridiculous!

Its like the stupid unwritten law that you can't send cards with Merry Christmas on any more for fear it will offend non Christians.

Er, hello?

I'm not religious yet in no way will I be offended by people celebrating their religious festival or having a feast day! Lets ban them in case I get offended!!

gojensen · Post by **gojensen** » 04 Oct 2005, 11:45

grim_tales wrote:Is it different/better/worse if men/women play alongside each other in sport?

Let me tell a little story from Japan where they practise their longbows and calls it Kyudo. In the beginning "only" men used the bow as it was a weapon for killing or hunting. As centuries progressed and the "art" was turned into a "sport" females began practicing on the same terms as men. Oposed to say Western archery - the Japanese archery is not so dependent on strength, which resulted in women catching up, equalling and threatening to "outshoot" their superior "men". So, in their infinte wisdom new rules were created ... for the women.

As for smoking, I do think it should be banned - so long as it causes health issues that the government pays for. For instance in the US where everyone pays their own medical bills I couldn't care less... but I object to my taxes being used to cover a smokers medical bills (or any self inflicted "illness", call me selfish). Even though I loathe censorship and laws that deprive one of ones freedom.

As for Christmas, we celebrated Yule long before we became Christian in Norway - and what the heck has the merry ole Father Christmas really to do with God and Jesus? Do these "non-Christians" object to getting days off for a "religion" they don't follow?

As for the pigs? Well, I have no words really

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 04 Oct 2005, 11:54

I agree with what you say about Yule - in fact our modern Christmas has more in common with Yule than you might think. December 25 was originally a festival for Pagans, hijacked by Christianity. Jesus was not born on December 25 for a start.

Mordib · Post by **Mordib** » 04 Oct 2005, 14:30

in birmingham we cancelled christmas a few years back. we called it winterfest and all the religeons united in saying how dumb it was....

gojensen · Post by **gojensen** » 06 Oct 2005, 10:17

Heh.... we celebrate the 24th though

That's the wonder of "Christianity" instead of "changing" the world it adapted it self to fit what was already there... no wonder so many people doubt it.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 06 Oct 2005, 10:21

Isn't 6th December St. Nicholas' Day in some countries when stockings/shoes are put out?

Maybe I'm thinking of Holland here.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 06 Oct 2005, 21:21

Here's my favorite/most depressing story of the week though. It concerns a children's author (who was actually a Reverend) giving a talk to a class of 12/13 year olds at a school, who was thrown out because of "inappropriate language the kids weren't used to hearing", the words he used (AFAIK) were.. wait for it... fart, bogey, bum and (shock horror) crap. Presumably he was giving a talk about his book, and characters say those words? I dont know.

Of course we shouldn't swear all the time, but.. jeez, I'm sorry - these were, let me remind you, teenagers - and that language isnt strong. FFS, the word crap is allowed in U certificate films!

Were the teens raised by tortoises?

Great piece on C4 news when the guy told John Humphrys it must have been a slow news day and go back to reporting the boring party conference

Basically, get a grip! Our soilders are dying in Iraq, and a teacher got upset because somebody said "bogey" and "bum" or used very common British slang. Grow up, you petty, self deluded fool!

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 08 Oct 2005, 07:36

Mark have you heard about this? Ridiculous isnt it?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 08 Oct 2005, 12:24

Yeah, I read it in the paper. Seems an over-reaction. I remember our own head teacher once used the f-word in an anecdote. But then we were a bit older.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 08 Oct 2005, 13:06

Perhaps the school the author was talking at was very strict? But still, seems an over reaction to me. When I heard the guy speak on C4 news he wasnt what I expected considering he was reverend/priest, I thought he'd be older. He really seemed to advocate speaking to teens/young people in language they can understand (which is a good thing). Of course that doesnt have to mean swearing excessively, but some people get far to uptight about it IMO

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 17 Oct 2005, 14:25

Read in the paper today (you're going to like this) - that performances of Snow White this Christmas face being banned or changed - because campaigners say the term "Dwarf" is offensive to short people and should be outlawed. Instead, it will have to be called "Snow White and the Seven Gnomes".

All I can say is

FFS, I'm betting they don't give a shit, especially as seeing its' a children's panto and well loved story. Its' not offending anyone!!

Idiots!