Gladiator - New "SE" (?) News.. aka SE's no-one as

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 11 Aug 2005, 18:32

The normal price is only 19.99 in UK, so why pay much at all? it will be under 15 quid now and a tenner in a few months or less.

its not as if we all aint seen it.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 11 Aug 2005, 18:49

You're right, the R2 is £14.99 @ Play.
R1 has a better cover though

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 11 Aug 2005, 20:00

grim_tales wrote:You're right, the R2 is £14.99 @ Play.
R1 has a better cover though

ntsc dvd is better than pal imo and worth the extra £3

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 17 Aug 2005, 17:02

According to CD-WOW the r1 will have DTS?

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 17 Aug 2005, 17:55

It wont CDWOW are very bad at specs

very very bad, they dont even know which region dvd they are selling most the time

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 20 Aug 2005, 05:43

grim_tales wrote:Brad have you found out whether one DVD will have DTS yet?

Nope I'm afraid not. My hopes are on the Korean version now and beore you ask no I don't know anything about it nor has it been confirmed.

TBH DTS or not DTS I'll ONLY be getting this if the 17 minutes adds lots to the film if not then no thanks. I'm happy to go by reviews on this one.

The extras on the current 2 discer look better IMO. The History Channel making of is tops.

p.s - If the DVDs are identical then it's the PAL DVD for me, unless the NTSC DVD is much cheaper.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 21 Aug 2005, 07:42

bradavon wrote:p.s - If the DVDs are identical then it's the PAL DVD for me, unless the NTSC DVD is much cheaper.

Chris Gould from dvdanswers (he has advanced check discs or something) confirmed that the R2 UK (I wouldn't be surprised if it applied to all the other PAL releases too) ONLY has the extended cut.

The old R2 2-discer from 2001 w/ DTS is cheap on cd-wow, I'll get that eventually. (PAL DVD w/ DTS-ES 6.1 matrix vs. NTSC release w/ DTS-ES 6.1 discrete? I'll take the better price and PAL format thanks, one extra channel which I can't use on my current hardware anyway is no big loss).

Source

Chris Gould wrote:
The R1 has both versions of movie via seamless branching. So I doubt the R2 will be any different.
You're wrong, as it's just the extended cut. I'd also like to point out that this is yet another disc to feature the patronising, enforced anti-piracy propaganda. That's right folks, you can't skip that s**t...

Also Chris confirms that Ridley prefers the original theatrical cut, so in other words it's just marketing ploy the supposed Alien 2003 alternative cut that Fox marketed as a "Director's Cut" (Scott prefers the original Alien '79 TC. As do I - the 2003 alternative cut shows the gives the alien more on-screen time and completely fucks up the alien's reproductive cycle by adding back the Dallas cocooned scene, thus making the Cameron's Alien Queen an inpossibility.)

Chris Gould wrote:Well Ridley Scott himself says it's not a 'director's cut' in his intro; he prefers the theatrical version.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 21 Aug 2005, 09:02

I didnt say the first quote Eva, Brad did

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 21 Aug 2005, 11:37

grim_tales wrote:I didnt say the first quote Eva, Brad did

Fixed.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 22 Aug 2005, 07:21

Thanks

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 26 Aug 2005, 23:10

What does this mean: "I'd also like to point out that this is yet another disc to feature the patronising, enforced anti-piracy propaganda. That's right folks, you can't skip that s**t..." ???

How does Chris know Scott prefers the theatrical cut? Does he say so?

That said I prefer to decide for myself but will get the R1 if I buy it. I'm waiting for reviews first to see what's been added in the extended cut and if it improves the film.

ReconFive · Post by **ReconFive** » 27 Aug 2005, 04:17

Yes if anyone has seen the extended cut please post your thoughts on it, i'm really curious about the new scenes and if they benefit the already great film.

I am very disappointed that the new R1 extended edition does not have DTS. The new footage will have to be absolutly outstanding for me to replace my signature series.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 28 Aug 2005, 15:01

grim_tales wrote:According to CD-WOW the r1 will have DTS?

According to CD WOW so did Ong-Bak. They've sinced changed their listing.

ReconFive wrote:I am very disappointed that the new R1 extended edition does not have DTS. The new footage will have to be absolutly outstanding for me to replace my signature series.

Me to. The extras look better on the old DVD.

Quantity doesn't always make quality!

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 28 Aug 2005, 22:41

bradavon wrote:What does this mean: "I'd also like to point out that this is yet another disc to feature the patronising, enforced anti-piracy propaganda. That's right folks, you can't skip that s**t..." ???

It's probably a rubbish little 30 sec clip which says "Piracy is a crime"/"Piracy supports terrorism"/etc. I've got a really crap unskippable MTV-edited one at the start-up of my R2 Casino SE from Universal. I'm pretty sure that Universal is distributing this new Gladiator edition and not Sony who did the original R2/4 releases.

bradavon wrote:How does Chris know Scott prefers the theatrical cut? Does he say so?

Read more carefully:-

Chris Gould wrote:Well Ridley Scott himself says it's not a 'director's cut' in his intro; he prefers the theatrical version.

It looks like Scott recorded an intro to the extended cut to explain it's existence (probably won't admit it's just an attempt to wring more cash from people though), like he did for the Alien 2003 alternative cut.

Personally I'm skipping this new Gladiator edition altogether and I've ordered the original R1 2-disc SE off Amazon UK Marketplace for cheap. Firstly, I want DTS. The extra 20 mins will probably kill the pacing and I guess it's just more footage of Joaquin Phoenix lusting over his sister or whatever (I've never seen the deleted scenes on the old DVD.). I may bother seeing it if it's more battle footage, but the film doesn't need anymore character development IMO. Gladiator feels like a complete film Gladiator, unlike Kingdom of Heaven where I felt huge chunks were missing.

EDIT: Yeah, these scenes sound like they don't add anything. It's looking like Apocalypse Now Redux IMO, conveying the exact same message in an unnecessarily longer amount of time.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 28 Aug 2005, 23:55

Personally I only had problem with the end, it was a little weak.

I so wish we'd seen his armies of the north. He mentioned them a couple of times but we never actually saw them.

As for KOH I hear it was cut extensively. Which would make lots of sense as it's such a wasted opportunity, that said the battles were dull. Something I didn't expect from Scott. The two battles were much more exciting in Alexander. That said 2.5 hours should be plenty of time to create a film. I feel Scott was sloppy when making KOH. A 2.5 hour film shouldn't feel cut.

I'm not getting the 2 disc KOH as it's an okay film at best but will get the 4 disc uncut version if that surfaces (only rumours so far).

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 29 Aug 2005, 12:46

The UK dvd is under 11 quid on the Woolworths site

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 29 Aug 2005, 18:39

Who'd have thought Woolworths having a bargain.

Come on reviews.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 29 Aug 2005, 19:47

i have the region 1 but it's so long since i saw the original i wouldn't know what was/wasn't a new scene.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 29 Aug 2005, 20:25

Most titles are cheaper than any other place at Woolworths esspecially with the 10% off link.

EvaUnit02 · Post by **EvaUnit02** » 01 Sep 2005, 00:45

There's a review of the R2 up on dvdanswers.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 06 Sep 2005, 14:22

Brad, have you seen here?
According to this cover the Swedish release has or will have DTS, even though Axel have said no DTS?

http://www.discshop.se/LIVE/shop/img/om ... /28166.jpg

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 06 Sep 2005, 16:54

Strange