Michael Jackson dies.. :(

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 25 Jun 2009, 22:32

I think he was taken to hospital but now....

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090625/te ... b52a1.html

If this is true, RIP

A legend, he made some very good music.

ETA: This confirms he's dead

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8119993.stm

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 25 Jun 2009, 23:16

I don't feel entirely comfortable speaking about Michael Jackson in a positive light (let's face it, he "probably" was a paedophile), however it is indeed very sad news. Jackson was so ahead of his time and his music was so brilliant. It's such a shame he never got to perform again. The world will be a lesser place without him.

There's more about it here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/ju ... ckson-dies

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 25 Jun 2009, 23:20

I agree, it will be a loss to music

gasteropod · Post by **gasteropod** » 25 Jun 2009, 23:22

grim_tales wrote:I agree, it will be a loss to music

He hasn't done anything decent in aaages, it's not like Jeff Buckley tragically dying before he even finished his second album.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 25 Jun 2009, 23:24

Legend in his day though, but sadly events in his personal life overshadowed that in recent years.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 26 Jun 2009, 05:31

May Allah have mercy upon him. May Allah magnify his reward.

I wonder if they will burry him in a casket. He recently became muslim and muslims get burried without casket.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 26 Jun 2009, 08:29

Really? I didn't know that he had become a Muslim LD.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 26 Jun 2009, 09:28

We don't know that Jackson was a paedophile since he was never convicted of anything. It's all innuendo and speculation as far as I'm concerned. I think he was a victim or his own success and of scum trying to make money out of him. I believe he had a Peter Pan complex that made him more comfortable being with children rather than with adults whom he mistrusted. There's no concrete proof anything sexual ever took place... but mud sticks, right? At least they can't hound the man anymore.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 26 Jun 2009, 09:39

Yeah, I think he saw HIMSELF as a child or wanted to be one.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 26 Jun 2009, 10:16

Jermaine Jackson about his brother's death. At the end he says "May Allah be with you Michael, always."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6783tXwgKo

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 26 Jun 2009, 14:03

Yeah I am sure Allah will be with him

as much as Jesus and Garry Glitter.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 26 Jun 2009, 16:37

gasteropod wrote:He hasn't done anything decent in aaages, it's not like Jeff Buckley tragically dying before he even finished his second album.

That doesn't detract from how good his music was. Like Deniro, nothing of value really since Heat/Casino but boy he was good back in the day.

Markgway wrote:We don't know that Jackson was a paedophile since he was never convicted of anything. It's all innuendo and speculation as far as I'm concerned.

That's a fair point.

I also think, sure it's awful for his kids but they're probably better off not being brought up by him. I just cannot see Jackson being a good father or is that suitable father.

If Jackson was normal his kids would've likely been taken away from him.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 26 Jun 2009, 17:57

bradavon wrote:I also think, sure it's awful for his kids but they're probably better off not being brought up by him. I just cannot see Jackson being a good father or is that suitable father.

That's harsh. We have no idea how he was with his kids behind closed doors. They're probably devestated... That said - although I'm sure he wouldn't have harmed his kids - there's no escaping from the fact that he was mentally unbalanced. I don't know if that - in other words his particular problems - prevented him from being a capable parent.

gasteropod · Post by **gasteropod** » 26 Jun 2009, 18:08

bradavon wrote:That doesn't detract from how good his music was. Like Deniro, nothing of value really since Heat/Casino but boy he was good back in the day.

No shit, I was saying his death isn't a loss to music, because he gave all he had to give donkey's ago!

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 26 Jun 2009, 18:11

Clearly he was in need of mental help. He was abused by his father, said he never felt he was loved etc, yet he lived in Neverland

As you say we don't know he was a paedophile and it is not fair to say he was - he was acquitted and found not guilty of child abuse and that's that. He can't answer back now

The first point I sort of agree but we did see him dangle his young son over a balcony which was a silly thing to do. That wasn't exactly behind closed doors though, lots of people saw that.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 26 Jun 2009, 18:19

Markgway wrote:I don't know if that - in other words his particular problems - prevented him from being a capable parent.

If he was Joe Public we'd probably know the answer to that question.

gasteropod wrote:No shit, I was saying his death isn't a loss to music, because he gave all he had to give donkey's ago!

Not for me. When I said that, I meant as a general comment not to his music specifically.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 27 Jun 2009, 01:30

I'm not a fan. His adult catalogue was fine, can't stand The Jackson Five. But I felt sorry for the guy. He was effectively hounded to death.

IronMonkey · Post by **IronMonkey** » 27 Jun 2009, 09:04

I don't see what all the fuss is about. People die all the time.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 27 Jun 2009, 14:27

Yeah but if you or I die the world doesnt end

I was sooooo sick of his music last night, every bar and pub thought it was good to play all his hits, damn they get on your tits without the videos!

Shingster · Post by **Shingster** » 27 Jun 2009, 16:35

gasteropod wrote:No shit, I was saying his death isn't a loss to music, because he gave all he had to give donkey's ago!

If Bob Dylan had died in his 50s many critics would have said the same thing about him, but he brought his career around big time in his 60s. There's far more to a musician's career than just new material anyway, Jackson's world tours were still massive events within the music industry.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 27 Jun 2009, 16:46

Bob Dylan is still shit, always has been, always will be

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 27 Jun 2009, 16:58

IronMonkey wrote:I don't see what all the fuss is about. People die all the time.

A glib comment not worthy of you.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 27 Jun 2009, 16:59

romerojpg wrote:Bob Dylan is still shit, always has been, always will be

I'd rather listen to Dylan than Jackson.

Shingster · Post by **Shingster** » 27 Jun 2009, 17:06

Ah the infamous romero subjective opinion. Holds about as much weight as an electron.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 27 Jun 2009, 17:15

If you say so, as your taste is so amazing