What general film/series have you just seen.. marks out of 5

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 02 Sep 2008, 18:17

Memento: 5/5

Superb thriller, but very confusing

I'm sure John Edward Gammel (Teddy) didnt do it. John G (Carrie Anne Moss's boy friend) did it BUT Lenny made up the Sammy Jankis story because he felt guilty about overdosing his wife with insulin, and didnt want to "remember" it.

I think?

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 02 Sep 2008, 18:54

Either I misunderstood you, or you're not making sense.

If Lenny killed his wife accidentally with insulin, how could John G also kill the same woman?

gasteropod · Post by **gasteropod** » 02 Sep 2008, 19:12

Wasn't John G just made up so he'd go searching for him constantly.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 02 Sep 2008, 19:52

Yeah that was what I thought Gasteropod.
Good thought Hung but Lenny can believe whatever he wants, he said he'd lie to himself as it was what he was happy with, and that "Teddy" would be his "John G".

Why, if Lenny cant remember anything after the incident he wouldnt know he has a "condition". I think Lenny killed someone, but then he got a new identity.

Surprised the c-word got through in a 15.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 02 Sep 2008, 19:59

I didn't see it that long ago (again) and I cannot remember how I thought it went. Confusing but lots of fun. I've yet to bother with the Chronological cut.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 02 Sep 2008, 20:01

Is that an Easter Egg (The Beginning of the End) or something like that? Wierdly, the beginning of the Chris Nolan commentary is backwards?

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 02 Sep 2008, 20:05

It depends which DVD you have. Do you have the 3 Disc UK SE? If so, it's Disc 2 of the set. Look on the back of the box next time

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On the R1 2 Disc SE I seem to recall it's an Easter Egg on Disc 1.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 02 Sep 2008, 20:11

Yeah I have the UK 3 disc SE

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 02 Sep 2008, 21:48

grim_tales wrote: Good thought Hung but

It wasn't my thought

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 02 Sep 2008, 23:12

Memento did absolutely nothing for me.

A thriller overpraised for its gimmick.

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 02 Sep 2008, 23:59

Markgway wrote:Memento did absolutely nothing for me.

A thriller overpraised for its gimmick.

Sadly, that's mostly the case with any movie that does get the hype a brainless blockbuster gets, but is still different enough to make all the dumb clueless people that hardly ever watch movies other than Will Smith flicks and Disney cartoons, really think it's cinematic brilliance.

The same goes for Tarentino movies, or a movie like The Usual Suspects. People see it and think it's the best everrrrr...

It isnt. Broaden your horizen, sad bastards!

Good? Sure. Brilliant? Hell no.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 03 Sep 2008, 00:30

I'd hardly call the idea in Memento a gimmick, that's OTT. It's the films entire concept. It's like saying The Dark Knight being about Batman is also a gimmick.

Yi-Long wrote:Broaden your horizen, sad bastards!

With what exactly?

I'm not of the club that thinks Usual Suspects it's a masterpiece but it is very well written, you cannot deny it that. Pulp Fiction is also very well written. Speaking of QT I don't reckon most people still consider QT some "film god". He's only made two seriously critically acclaimed films.

but is still different enough to make all the dumb clueless people that hardly ever watch movies other than Will Smith flicks and Disney cartoons, really think it's cinematic brilliance.

Memento was praised by most people, including those who have broadened their film horizons. I didn't get it at first, it took me two watches before I really enjoyed it. It's just a clever thriller and there's nothing wrong with that.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 03 Sep 2008, 01:26

I Remember watching Memento ages ago and being a little underwhelmed but i was really ill at the time laid up so was probaly not in a good frame of mind to watch it. reading this thread makes me want to give it another go.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 03 Sep 2008, 01:31

Forbidden Kingdom blu-ray 3/5

2nd time around watching this enjoyable romp,it's really nothing special but gets an extra star by virtue of being much better than jackie and jet's recent hollywood output.some decent action along with an entirely predictable plot but well worth catching.decent blu-ray transfer.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 03 Sep 2008, 02:08

I enjoyed The Usual Suspects originally - but shaggy-dog wind-ups are hard to revisit with the same enthusiasm. When the ultimate twist negates the 90 mins you've just watched at first you think "clever", then you think "bastards". I felt a bit cheated last time I watched it. One reviewer described the film as "too knowing for its own good" and I now know what he meant. Memento wasn't even as good as that.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 03 Sep 2008, 13:17

It is a very clever twist and how it's all setup. I don't think it has much re-watch value though, hence I sold it.

gasteropod · Post by **gasteropod** » 03 Sep 2008, 16:47

Memento isn't a gimmick, because it's done that way to put you in Leondard's shoes. 'Irreversible', on the other hand, is a gimmick, because there's no reason for it to be that way.

I don't like The Usual Suspects because the whole film is pointless. The guy lied, great, cheers for wasting 2 hours of my life.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 03 Sep 2008, 17:01

gasteropod wrote:Memento isn't a gimmick, because it's done that way to put you in Leondard's shoes. 'Irreversible', on the other hand, is a gimmick, because there's no reason for it to be that way.

The time structure was the best thing about Irreversible. It starts from the ultra dark ending, and then goes back to the happy beginning. Which makes it all the more effective as the last thing you see is the good times. But you know that it will all change. Time will destroy everything.

saltysam · Post by **saltysam** » 03 Sep 2008, 17:19

Pale Rider blu-ray 3/5

Eastwood western never quite reaches the heights of some of his other oaters but remains a decent film nonetheless. in a typical role Clint is a mysterious preacher come to town to help settlers battle against the corrupt town boss who wants their land.this movie has never looked very good on home video but this HD Transfer is excellent.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 03 Sep 2008, 18:17

I havent seen Usual Suspects Gasteropod!

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 03 Sep 2008, 19:01

The 10 minute rape (or whatever it is) in Irreversible is enough for me to avoid it. I don't need to be seeing anyone brutally raped for that long.

gasteropod · Post by **gasteropod** » 03 Sep 2008, 19:09

bradavon wrote:The 10 minute rape (or whatever it is) in Irreversible is enough for me to avoid it. I don't need to be seeing anyone brutally raped for that long.

Yeah, the fire extinguisher beating is even worse. Not a nice film.

Grim: Well everyone knows roughly what the twist is anyway mate

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 03 Sep 2008, 19:17

That's no reason to spoil it

. It is a bloody good twist IMO.

HungFist · Post by **HungFist** » 03 Sep 2008, 19:36

bradavon wrote:That's no reason to spoil it . It is a bloody good twist IMO.

I'd be pretty angry too if I had not seen the film.

gasteropod · Post by **gasteropod** » 03 Sep 2008, 20:13

Oh come on, my comment was vague as hell! I wasn't trying to spoil it for anyone, didn't think about it.