Magnificent Butcher question

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 30 Jul 2005, 14:53

Who does Yuen Biao play?

In Bey Logan's essay "The Real Lam Sai Wing" it mentions him as Foon, but surely that means the 1991 Once Upon A Time In China movie with Jet Li.

Feng Ke-An (Master Ko's son) = Fung Hark On right? Its' just he's called Feng Ke-An in the HK trailer.

Also you know the part at the start of the trailer where it says "Yuen who helped to make Jackie a star" - I think that could either be Yuen Sui Tien (who starred in SITES and DM with him), or Yuen Woo Ping (who directed SITES/DM).

On the other hand the trailer shows Fan Mei Sheng in the drunken beggar role, so when it says "Yuen who made Jackie a star" it could be YWP.

Having just watched the HKL, the transfer is not that great in places, with some nasty flickering at times..

Great film though.

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 30 Jul 2005, 15:03

Who does Yuen Biao play?

I think he plays Kai.
Wei Pai (also known as Wei Ba) plays Leung Foon.

Feng Ke-An (Master Ko's son) = Fung Hark On right?

Yep.
Feng Ke-An = Mandarin (I think).
Fung Hark-On = Cantonese.

"Yuen who helped to make Jackie a star"

They mean Yuen Woo-Ping, of course (the director).

Having just watched the HKL, the transfer is not that great in places

What about the vertical stretching ?
That's even worse than the squishing in Police Story and Project A 2.

Chow Gam Kong · Post by **Chow Gam Kong** » 30 Jul 2005, 15:42

on my hkl yuen biao = foon and wai pak = cat

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 30 Jul 2005, 15:49

I thought Chung Fa played Cat?

Tom, yeah I did notice the stretching at times, people looked tall and thin..

Chow Gam Kong · Post by **Chow Gam Kong** » 30 Jul 2005, 15:54

sorry i mean "chat" and chung fat play catman

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 30 Jul 2005, 16:45

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 30 Jul 2005, 18:48

It's not unheard of for an actor to play the same role in more than one movie. Look at Kwan Tak Hing!! In semi-sequel 'Dreadnaught', however, Leung Foon is played by Leung Kar Yan, whilst Yuen Biao takes the role of "Mousy" (I don't know if every set of subs translates that the same way). And as Tom says, Feng Ke An is the Mandarin version of Fung Hark On. Interesting they would use his Mandarin name on a Cantonese film though... I guess that's not too unusual if you think about it.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 30 Jul 2005, 19:02

How come? By that time it had been fairly recent since the language of film became Cantonese..

Also they write Yuen Biao's name as Yuen Piao, or something like that - and say he plays a character "Punter" (?)

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 30 Jul 2005, 19:04

Yuan Piao is the Mandarin version.
Yuen Biu is the Cantonese version.

Yuen Biao is actually an odd mix between the two.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 30 Jul 2005, 19:09

They must of used the Mandarin names (except for Sammo) on the trailer. Wierd..

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 30 Jul 2005, 20:49

And the trailer calls Yuen Biao's character "Punter" Eh? Who is he playing? I think Wei Pei is supposed to be Leung Foon, who Biao played in OUATIC.

The HKL is stretched a bit and parts of the caligrahpy fight suffer from severe emulsion flicker - I belive this was not present on the FOX DVD. Still it's got a good commentary, interesting extras and one of the better English dubs. I hope the upcoming IVL has the mono track. Otherwise, it's France for me - again

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 30 Jul 2005, 20:56

Thats what I meant about the flickering as well - that was very distracting.
Whats good about the French DVD?

I found 2 easter eggs - one is a set of behind the scenes photos, the other one is an essay about the real Lam Sai Wing by Bey.

According to IMDB, Biao plays "Chai" (?) Then again it credits Yuen Siu Tien among the cast (when he obviously isnt in the film as it is now) so go figure.

Chow Gam Kong · Post by **Chow Gam Kong** » 30 Jul 2005, 21:06

whoever biao play, thats don't change anything in the movie

Sammo Hung Kam Bo ... Lam Sai Wing
Yuen Biao ... Foon
Wai Pak ... Chat (Seven)
Fan Mei Sheng ... Beggar King
JoJo Chan Kei Kei ... Master Ko's niece, Lan Hsing
Kwan Tak Hing ... Wong Fei Hung
Chung Faat ... Cat Man
Lee Hoi Sang ... Master Ko
Fung Hak On ... Ko Tai Hoi
Lam Ching Ying (1) ... Fan Man
Chiang Kam ... Lam Sai Kwong
Yuen Miu ... Pole Man
Tsang Choh Lam ... Night watchman
Fung Ging Man ... chess player
Sai Gwa Paau ... Ah So
Ho Pak Kwong ... Blind Man
Tong Jing (2) ... Yuet Mei, Lam Sai Kwong's wife
Fung Lee ... works in the restaurant
Billy Chan Wui-Ngai ... Tai Hoi's man
Max Lee Chiu Jun
Lau Kwok Shing (1) ... Pig butcher
Chow Gam Kong ... extra
Wellson Chin Sing Wai ... extra

if you look imdb for chinese movie, your really funny

simon yuen died in the filming of that movie, he was supose to do the beggars king...

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 30 Jul 2005, 22:37

Whats good about the French DVD?

Better picture than HKL disc (not stretched).
Better subs than FOX disc (not dubtitles).
Better sound than FOX and HKL (Cantonese Mono).

Downside:
In France, Magnificent Butcher is only available in the Wong Fei-Hung boxset, along with Drunken Master and Dreadnaught.

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 30 Jul 2005, 22:46

I've checked the french dvd (in which the chinese sentences in the original trailer are subtitled) and:

Hung & Yuen = Sammo Hung and Yuen Woo-Ping.
Wei Pai as Leung Kun = Wei Pai is Leung Foon (Yay I was right !

).
Yuen Piao as Punter = Yuen Biao is Clubfoot Seven (OK I was wrong about THAT one

).

Chow Gam Kong · Post by **Chow Gam Kong** » 30 Jul 2005, 23:06

maybe in the trailer but what about in the movie

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 31 Jul 2005, 00:01

Dis donc Gam-Kong, tu me cherches ou quoi ?!

I don't think they are referred to by name in the film.
So it doesn't matter.

I wonder how Grim feels about this thread (He's surrounded by frenchmen).

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 31 Jul 2005, 00:10

If I remember the HKL subs - OK, they're hardly the most accurate of people! - Wong Fei-hung calls them "Foon and Chaat" at the end of the film

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 31 Jul 2005, 00:19

Actually:

Wong Fei-Hung sees Master Kao lying on the ground.
He turns to Yuen Biao and says:
"-Chat, help him up".

Chat = Seven = Clubfoot Seven.

@Chow Gam Kong:
Now you can update the cast list on your site.
'told you I was right

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 31 Jul 2005, 08:39

I've got no probs with the HKL DVD's sound - though I can understand French I'm not used to watching whole films with French subtitles

Clubfoot 7 is in OUATIC3 right? (Not in 1 or 2).

tom2681 · Post by **tom2681** » 31 Jul 2005, 09:12

Yep. I think he's called Iron Foot or something like that in the HKL subs.

thelostdragon · Post by **thelostdragon** » 31 Jul 2005, 11:13

Yeah! He starts off as a bad guy and later joins the WFH-team. His role is a bit bigger in part 4 and 5. Loved part 4.

f_drew · Post by **f_drew** » 02 Aug 2005, 17:24

Anyone seen the new Fortune Star version of this released a couple of weeks ago in the Sammo boxset ? Any verdict on the quality compared to other versions ?