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Mei Ah could sub-license the film I reckon, unless people have to go to Seasonal directly.
'Legend Of A Fighter' is a bit of a clumsy film and doesn't warrant a re-release, as much as I enjoy it. It would have been nice if they got it right the first time round (despite SITES being an BBFC 18, it was marketed to involve teens).
If anything, Mei Ah may remaster it in the future, an upgrade from my Cantonese 4:3 VCD. If it had 24p flagging and better subtitles, it would have more advantages than HKL's (more extensive clean-up aside).
Agreed, I love the artwork of the DC. Markgway loved it so much, he elaborated on it with variants :twisted: .
'Legend Of A Fighter' is a bit of a clumsy film and doesn't warrant a re-release, as much as I enjoy it. It would have been nice if they got it right the first time round (despite SITES being an BBFC 18, it was marketed to involve teens).
If anything, Mei Ah may remaster it in the future, an upgrade from my Cantonese 4:3 VCD. If it had 24p flagging and better subtitles, it would have more advantages than HKL's (more extensive clean-up aside).
Agreed, I love the artwork of the DC. Markgway loved it so much, he elaborated on it with variants :twisted: .
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What Chen Lung means is the "official explanation" for why SITES, DM and LOAF were cropped by HKL
From DVD Fever
Why crop and result in such a missed opportunity? The following comes courtesy of the DVD Debate, which answers the query and it comes straight from Brian White, Head DVD producer at Medusa :
"The reason we decided to re-master this movie into 16:9 format was to cater for the widest possible commercial audience. The hard-core collectors may all prefer 2:35:1, but we have found that many kids with 14, 17 and 21" television sets are amongst the most regular buyers of Jackie Chan movies.
Unfortunately, due to the tiny viewing area offered with the 2:35:1 format on smaller TV sets, we often get asked by this target audience to provide 'pan & scan' versions of our movies. As the hard-core collectors detest 'p & s' with a passion, I thought the 16:9 anamorphic/1:85:1 widescreen ratio, would be a good compromise that would appeal to both markets.
In addition, had we conformed the feature to 2:35:1 anamorphic standard, most of the nation's DVD players, are currently not equiped to handle this ratio correctly, and therefore the image would be stretched."
So - a well-judged decision or an incredible lack of foresight? You decide. Every single DVD player can handle a 2.35:1 anamorphic feature film and if he's worried about small TVs, what about putting both a 2.35:1 and a 4:3 version on the disc? After all, a 16:9 version doesn't satisfy either market, it just annoys both!
From DVD Fever
Why crop and result in such a missed opportunity? The following comes courtesy of the DVD Debate, which answers the query and it comes straight from Brian White, Head DVD producer at Medusa :
"The reason we decided to re-master this movie into 16:9 format was to cater for the widest possible commercial audience. The hard-core collectors may all prefer 2:35:1, but we have found that many kids with 14, 17 and 21" television sets are amongst the most regular buyers of Jackie Chan movies.
Unfortunately, due to the tiny viewing area offered with the 2:35:1 format on smaller TV sets, we often get asked by this target audience to provide 'pan & scan' versions of our movies. As the hard-core collectors detest 'p & s' with a passion, I thought the 16:9 anamorphic/1:85:1 widescreen ratio, would be a good compromise that would appeal to both markets.
In addition, had we conformed the feature to 2:35:1 anamorphic standard, most of the nation's DVD players, are currently not equiped to handle this ratio correctly, and therefore the image would be stretched."
So - a well-judged decision or an incredible lack of foresight? You decide. Every single DVD player can handle a 2.35:1 anamorphic feature film and if he's worried about small TVs, what about putting both a 2.35:1 and a 4:3 version on the disc? After all, a 16:9 version doesn't satisfy either market, it just annoys both!
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To be fair Brian White did quickly change his opinion on what aspect ratio to use. They only cropped 3 films, it's only a major problem with LOAF.
I always set DVD Players to 16:9 Enhanced even on 4:3 TVs as the black bars on 2.35:1 are so huge in non-anamorphic mode, it's especially bad on small TVs. Sure it makes the heads then stretched but I personally prefer that.
Of course I personally have never had to put up with either. My Mum oddly has never even noticed the stretched heads but would notice the black bars. From my perspective there is no decent way to display Widescreen movies on a 4:3 TV.
Many French DVDs for 1.66:1/1.78:1/1.85:1 movies have the WS flag properly set so they'll display in 4:3 P&S if your DVD Player is set that way, instead of 4:3 P&S being no different to 4:3 Letterbox. It's a pity more companies never used the flag properly.
I always set DVD Players to 16:9 Enhanced even on 4:3 TVs as the black bars on 2.35:1 are so huge in non-anamorphic mode, it's especially bad on small TVs. Sure it makes the heads then stretched but I personally prefer that.
Of course I personally have never had to put up with either. My Mum oddly has never even noticed the stretched heads but would notice the black bars. From my perspective there is no decent way to display Widescreen movies on a 4:3 TV.
Many French DVDs for 1.66:1/1.78:1/1.85:1 movies have the WS flag properly set so they'll display in 4:3 P&S if your DVD Player is set that way, instead of 4:3 P&S being no different to 4:3 Letterbox. It's a pity more companies never used the flag properly.
You would then get people complaining the bitrate is low due to both versions on 1 disc. Although many MA films tend to be 90-100 minutes, so it may work.what about putting both a 2.35:1 and a 4:3 version on the disc?
No they're not. What is this supposed to mean?In addition, had we conformed the feature to 2:35:1 anamorphic standard, most of the nation's DVD players, are currently not equiped to handle this ratio correctly, and therefore the image would be stretched.
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"I always set DVD Players to 16:9 Enhanced even on 4:3 TVs as the black bars on 2.35:1 are so huge in non-anamorphic mode, it's especially bad on small TVs. Sure it makes the heads then stretched but I personally prefer that. "
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I think that Brad meant that he sets DVD players to "auto-tilt & scan mode" when they're hooked up to 4:3 TVs. Correct?
If so, then Jesus fucking Christ. May the the Lord have mercy on your soul indeed. I have literally yelled at people (eg my mother and aunt) for doing such pig-shit ignorant things as that.
If so, then Jesus fucking Christ. May the the Lord have mercy on your soul indeed. I have literally yelled at people (eg my mother and aunt) for doing such pig-shit ignorant things as that.
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What on earth is auto-tilt & scan mode? I've no idea what that is.
Most DVD Players only have 3 modes: 4:3 P&S (which does naff all on most DVDs), 4:3 Letterbox or 16:9 Enhanced. I meant I choose the latter no matter if it's a 4:3 or 16:9 TV.
Before you guys get your knickers in a twist again I've never owned a 4:3 TV and DVD Player at the same time. I already owned a WS TV when I bought my first DVD Player. As to my Mum she prefers it set to 16:9, it's her TV. I happen to agree with her.
On a 14" 4:3 TV (her TV size) a 2.35:1 movie in non-anamorphic mode has so much black bars and such a small image it's hard to see what's going on. In that scenario screw "the director's vision", the director never intended the 2.35:1 movie to be watched on such a small TV but when it is you have no choice but to try and choose the best of a bad bunch.
On a 14" 4:3 TV both 4:3 letterbox and 16:9 enhanced look almost a bad as each other. If her TV was bigger it maybe different but you really have no choice watching a 2.35:1 letterbox movie on such a small TV.
As to yelling at my relatives. I'd never do such a thing, not without provocation anyway.
Most DVD Players only have 3 modes: 4:3 P&S (which does naff all on most DVDs), 4:3 Letterbox or 16:9 Enhanced. I meant I choose the latter no matter if it's a 4:3 or 16:9 TV.
Before you guys get your knickers in a twist again I've never owned a 4:3 TV and DVD Player at the same time. I already owned a WS TV when I bought my first DVD Player. As to my Mum she prefers it set to 16:9, it's her TV. I happen to agree with her.
On a 14" 4:3 TV (her TV size) a 2.35:1 movie in non-anamorphic mode has so much black bars and such a small image it's hard to see what's going on. In that scenario screw "the director's vision", the director never intended the 2.35:1 movie to be watched on such a small TV but when it is you have no choice but to try and choose the best of a bad bunch.
On a 14" 4:3 TV both 4:3 letterbox and 16:9 enhanced look almost a bad as each other. If her TV was bigger it maybe different but you really have no choice watching a 2.35:1 letterbox movie on such a small TV.
As to yelling at my relatives. I'd never do such a thing, not without provocation anyway.
I wondered that too.grim_tales wrote:What do they mean? Of course UK DVD players can handle 16/9.
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"On a 14" 4:3 TV (her TV size) a 2.35:1 movie in non-anamorphic mode has so much black bars and such a small image it's hard to see what's going on. In that scenario screw "the director's vision", the director never intended the 2.35:1 movie to be watched on such a small TV but when it is you have no choice but to try and choose the best of a bad bunch"
You're weird! I watched bloody Ben Hur on a 14 inch set and had no problems. Just admit you have zero respect for filmmakers. Cause strectching the image (hey, do you work for Soublade by any chance) is just pathetic
You're weird! I watched bloody Ben Hur on a 14 inch set and had no problems. Just admit you have zero respect for filmmakers. Cause strectching the image (hey, do you work for Soublade by any chance) is just pathetic
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16:9 mode on 4:3 TV gets more resolution, but you distort the ratio.
When I said "marketed to involve teens", I meant marketed particularly to teens as well as adults obviously (hmm donno about adults lol), even though SITES is an 18. What about the 2:35:1 Austin Powers movies, etc?
Putting both versions on there would cause a lot of stress with bitrate, but if kids are competent enough, they could switch the player to 4:3 PAN/SCAN if HKL put the option on. Sure you have to go through a menu, but if that's what it takes...
I thought you yelled at your Dad Brad (how poetic lol). Curiously, is that your real name?
When I said "marketed to involve teens", I meant marketed particularly to teens as well as adults obviously (hmm donno about adults lol), even though SITES is an 18. What about the 2:35:1 Austin Powers movies, etc?
Putting both versions on there would cause a lot of stress with bitrate, but if kids are competent enough, they could switch the player to 4:3 PAN/SCAN if HKL put the option on. Sure you have to go through a menu, but if that's what it takes...
I thought you yelled at your Dad Brad (how poetic lol). Curiously, is that your real name?
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I presume 16:9 on a WS TV not 16:9 on a 4:3 TV?grim_tales wrote:When I had a 14" 4/3 TV I set my player to "4/3 Letterbox" - now its always set to 16/9 mode
Did you ever try 16:9 Enhanced when you had a 4:3 TV?
I knew I was right for all these yearschenlung wrote:16:9 mode on 4:3 TV gets more resolution, but you distort the ratio.
What about them?chenlung wrote:What about the 2:35:1 Austin Powers movies, etc?
On the majority of DVDs that just gives you 4:3 Letterbox and we're back to Brian's original point that it annoys the vast majority of people with a 4:3 TV. Particularly when most MA films are 2.35:1.chenlung wrote:they could switch the player to 4:3 PAN/SCAN if HKL put the option on.
I don't recall saying that.chenlung wrote:I thought you yelled at your Dad Brad (how poetic lol).
Nope. The ladies call me "Mr. Cool".chenlung wrote:Curiously, is that your real name?
I used to live in a town called Bradford on Avon. I picked it when I first got the web 13-15 years ago and it stuck.
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You still are odd lol.I knew I was right for all these years
My friend prefers natural resolution viewings without letterboxing as it's sharper.
Those crap consumer movies are aimed at teens and 2:35:1.What about them?
Well, you didn't like him for it then. Help me out 8)!I don't recall saying that.
Curiously, are you referring to the ladies on this forum (if any)?Nope. The ladies call me "Mr. Cool".
How beautiful!I used to live in a town called Bradford on Avon.
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Note: Brad's on the left of that picture. I can understand Jet being pissed off because of a decision not mutually agreed
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Years ago, I didn't letterbox stuff because I was under-knowledged but I now do - unless I'm on a PC in which I use the geometry settings to achieve use of the anamorphic resolution.bradavon wrote:What's weirder displaying a 16:9 movie stretched vertically in a 4:3 frame or calling someone weird for something they have never actually done on their own TV?
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