John Woo's The Killer
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captainjoe
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John Woo's The Killer
Does anyone know, besides the OOP Criterion, if this is even available in region one? I've been trying to track this down and with the rate it's going I might just order a used Criterion.

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bradavon
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Personally I'd wait for the Dragon Dynasty too. If you cannot wait the HK Fortune Star may suit. It's Remastered at least and is Region Free/NTSC. I own the UK HKL and am happy with it.
The only strictly R1 versions are the Fox Lorber and Criterion both OOP and both have very old and shite picture quality. I certainly wouldn't buy either.
The only strictly R1 versions are the Fox Lorber and Criterion both OOP and both have very old and shite picture quality. I certainly wouldn't buy either.
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There is a German disc by e-m-s that is newer and with a way better image quality than the German version we see in this comparison.
However, here is a comparison between a few versions including the new e-m-s.:
http://web12.dvd2web.de/killer/killer.htm
There is a German disc by e-m-s that is newer and with a way better image quality than the German version we see in this comparison.
However, here is a comparison between a few versions including the new e-m-s.:
http://web12.dvd2web.de/killer/killer.htm
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bradavon
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Captainjoe is yet to move to the light side and embrace Multi-region

That EMS German DVD easily looks the best then the HKL.
Personally I think it looks poor compared to the others in Lost Dragon's comparison review but it will look better to the Fox Lorber and Criterion.
That EMS German DVD easily looks the best then the HKL.
Why not pick up the HK IVL Remastered by Fortune Star? It's Region Free and NTSC too. So will work in your Player and is much better than the American DVDs. It's Anamorphic too.captainjoe wrote:IF I ever do find a very, very good deal on the FL or Crit then I may get it but otherwise I'll wait.
Personally I think it looks poor compared to the others in Lost Dragon's comparison review but it will look better to the Fox Lorber and Criterion.
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Doesn't the IVL have OOS sound too?
The HKL DVD isn't too bad and has some good extras but it's rather murky and compressed in places - apparently a result of being a 2-disc set in the planning, and a last minute shoving of all the extras onto 1 dvd with the film
The HKL DVD isn't too bad and has some good extras but it's rather murky and compressed in places - apparently a result of being a 2-disc set in the planning, and a last minute shoving of all the extras onto 1 dvd with the film
bradavon wrote:
but I guess you're more intelligence than me.
but I guess you're more intelligence than me.
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I doubt that. The extras aren't exactly long.Ivan Drago wrote:The HKL DVD isn't too bad and has some good extras but it's rather murky and compressed in places - apparently a result of being a 2-disc set in the planning, and a last minute shoving of all the extras onto 1 dvd with the film
It's overall way better than the Criterion and Fox LorberEvaUnit02 wrote:The IVL has appalling subs. Very Engrishy and badly timed.
It's way better than the Criterion and Fox LorberRickyTheDragonSteamboat wrote:I have the Zoke version, which is basically the IVL/FS version, and it looks and sounds like crap.
Remember guys talk of non Region 1 or Region Free + NTSC versions is a moot point as Captain Joe doesn't want them or cannot play them.
Personally I'd get the HKL which has a decent Anamorphic transfer and known to be the best English subtitles on any release but Captainjoe doesn't want that.
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bradavon
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It's available in three versions:captainjoe wrote:Brad, where can I order that one from?
Single disc just The Killer
Double Disc combined with A Better Tomorrow
Double Disc combined with Bullet in the Head
I'll concentrate on the single disc version:
I can recommend all three companies. All prices include postage to/inside The USA.
American Stores:
$19.90: Out of Stock: http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID.541 ... etails.htm
$16.90: In Stock (I think): http://www.dvdasian.com/_e/Hong_Kong/pr ... n_DVD_.htm
Hong Kong Stores:
HKD$112/USD $14.34: In Stock (I think): http://www.dddhouse.com/v3/product_deta ... uctID=6714
Postage links:
http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/infoID.5/qx/info.htm
http://www.dvdasian.com/_e/page/1017/Sh ... mation.htm
http://www.dddhouse.com/v3/cms.php?id=2&LanguageID=0
Currency Converter:
http://www.xe.com/ucc/
Those are all the HK Region Free DVD with Cantonese DD2.0, DD5.1 or DTS. There is also a Korean Region 3 DVD which only has Cantonese DD5.1 or DTS:
http://www.dvdasian.com/_e/Hong_Kong/pr ... ion_3_.htm
All have English subtitles and a Remastered Anamorphic picture.
I've no idea how good they are but surely they all must be better than the Criterion and/or Fox Lorber R1 DVDs, right?
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Yes, the IVL mono is out of sync. The remix is terrible even on Fortune Star standards. Overall I think this is the worst dvd available for this film. I'm much rather own the Fox Lorber or Criterion.Ivan Drago wrote:Doesn't the IVL have OOS sound too?
For those who need subs and don't have to worry about region codes the HKL is probably the best version. I had it for some time but sold it because I didn't have any use for the theatrical cut.
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bradavon wrote:It's available in three versions:captainjoe wrote:Brad, where can I order that one from?
Single disc just The Killer
Double Disc combined with A Better Tomorrow
Double Disc combined with Bullet in the Head
I'll concentrate on the single disc version:
I can recommend all three companies. All prices include postage to/inside The USA.
American Stores:
$19.90: Out of Stock: http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID.541 ... etails.htm
$16.90: In Stock (I think): http://www.dvdasian.com/_e/Hong_Kong/pr ... n_DVD_.htm
Hong Kong Stores:
HKD$112/USD $14.34: In Stock (I think): http://www.dddhouse.com/v3/product_deta ... uctID=6714
Postage links:
http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/infoID.5/qx/info.htm
http://www.dvdasian.com/_e/page/1017/Sh ... mation.htm
http://www.dddhouse.com/v3/cms.php?id=2&LanguageID=0
Currency Converter:
http://www.xe.com/ucc/
Those are all the HK Region Free DVD with Cantonese DD2.0, DD5.1 or DTS. There is also a Korean Region 3 DVD which only has Cantonese DD5.1 or DTS:
http://www.dvdasian.com/_e/Hong_Kong/pr ... ion_3_.htm
All have English subtitles and a Remastered Anamorphic picture.
I've no idea how good they are but surely they all must be better than the Criterion and/or Fox Lorber R1 DVDs, right?
Thanks a lot, I'll have a look at those.

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bradavon
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No worries. Glad I could help.
Obviously take into account Hungs comments above too. It sounds like it's case of PQ (Fortune Star releases) vs. Audio and subs (Criterion/Fox Lorber). As to Audio I don't know how you think about Remixes.
That and both the Criterion and Fox Lorber are very Out of Print but the Hong Kong DVDs are not.
Obviously take into account Hungs comments above too. It sounds like it's case of PQ (Fortune Star releases) vs. Audio and subs (Criterion/Fox Lorber). As to Audio I don't know how you think about Remixes.
That and both the Criterion and Fox Lorber are very Out of Print but the Hong Kong DVDs are not.
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I own the IVL/Fortune Star release from the John Woo's Hero Collection set. Here's to hoping that Dragon Dynasty's 2-Disc won't have dubtitles. That was the only thing, besides the slightly stretched image, of their 2-Disc of HARD-BOILED. I could care less about English dubs.
I loathe dubtitles but strangely I own some of the FOX/Fortune Star which have dubtitles. I may as well buy the Joy Sales/Fortune Star versions.
I loathe dubtitles but strangely I own some of the FOX/Fortune Star which have dubtitles. I may as well buy the Joy Sales/Fortune Star versions.
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Film grain is a good thing dammit! Say NO to DNR/EE!
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I think the IVL/Fortune Star is a quite good release. Unsure if it's interlaced or progressive. As I've said, I'm waiting for DD's 2-disc release forthcoming in the hopefully near future. I think of it as an interim release and was also considering purchasing the Joy Sales/Fortune Star version if there was anything different about it. More being it'd probably be a progressive transfer.bradavon wrote:What do you think of Fortune Star's The Killer?
There're image comparison sites you know...
EDIT: I used to own the Fox Lorber. I should've kept it for the commentary...
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Thanks Ray.
It's cool I'm happy with my HKL which I personally think is the best English subtitled version, maybe the DD will beat it.
It's cool I'm happy with my HKL which I personally think is the best English subtitled version, maybe the DD will beat it.
Why not? Because it sucks. It's a nice extra but isn't "the" version to own. The Engrish subs make it very hard to watch.dvdvision wrote:Why not just get the longer version from the HK video DVD with english/chinese subs?

