London under terrorist attack...

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 07 Jul 2005, 09:39

... 6 explosions in the underground today, plus 1 doubledecker bus blew up ...

Can't say we didnt see this coming, but still very shocking ofcourse...

(out of place, 2012 olympic related joke: 'God, those french really take it bad...(!))

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 07 Jul 2005, 10:19

What a time for this to happen, the day after we win the Olympics... bastards.

Yi-Long · Post by **Yi-Long** » 07 Jul 2005, 10:31

Yeah awfull...
What I cant understand is why they didnt move up the attack one day, and focus it on Travalgar Square!? If that Bus-bomb was a suicide-bomber, he could have done a LOT more damage if he had done it one day earlier...
2 guys reported dead, but I'm sure that number will go up and up as soon as everything clears up...

As I said before, it's no surprise this happening to London, but ofcourse still shocking when it does indeed happens...

I'm pretty sure Holland will be one of the next countries to be hit... afterall, we have been licking Bush's balls as well the last few years...

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 07 Jul 2005, 11:21

Reports indicate that perhaps Al Qaeda were responsible...

Mordib · Post by **Mordib** » 07 Jul 2005, 12:01

Yi-Long wrote:Yeah awfull...
What I cant understand is why they didnt move up the attack one day, and focus it on Travalgar Square!? If that Bus-bomb was a suicide-bomber, he could have done a LOT more damage if he had done it one day earlier...
...

because killing lots and lots of people doesnt just cause fear, it causes anger as well(as was proven with 9/11). The terrorists don't want people angry, they want people afraid, and thanks to the wonderfully human way we all think, less deaths = more terror, more deaths = more anger

With our financial systems of the democratic world so easily affected by the fear of the general public the most damaging thing they can do is create an atmosphere of fear. then the media go on about how we can't defend against such attacks (which we can't) maintaining and hightening the fear whilst the terrorists don't have to do anything more at all... until the public get distracted from being afraid by a big positive event... like winning the right to host the olympics and then the cycle starts again.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 07 Jul 2005, 12:51

7 Explosions and 12 dead!

Looking at the greater picture we go off quite lightly, compared to the Madrid bombings.

It was inevitable. I'm sure France will be attacked sooner or later. The fact is if you're a leading world country and also one that speaks out a lot you're a target.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 07 Jul 2005, 13:36

Much more people injured though

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 07 Jul 2005, 16:09

Yi-Long wrote:.(out of place, 2012 olympic related joke: 'God, those french really take it bad...(!))

Jesus Christ... have you no fucking sense of decency? That's the most tasteless joke I've come across in a long while... and whilst people are STILL DYING. Honestly I sometimes think this forum is populated by utter morons.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 07 Jul 2005, 16:17

bradavon wrote:Looking at the greater picture we go off quite lightly, compared to the Madrid bombings.

I'm sure the families watching their loved ones being mopped up with a sponge will take comfort in the fact that Spain got it worse. It must be me, mustn't it? Seriously, people in this country come across as so callous and desensatised to murder it amazes me. My first feeling was one of shock and disgust. But it seems everyone here is on the verge of an "I told you so!" Like tough luck for getting caught up in someone else's shit. Innocent people died because some evil murdering bastards obsessed with religion and death choose to punish "us". How dare they? From the responses here I feel no sense of outrage or hurt, just crap about The Olympics like that matters a toss. The taking of human life is as bad as it gets and if that doesn't elicit an angry response from you guys... I really fear for the future of mankind.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 07 Jul 2005, 16:29

I thought Yi's joke was out of place too,

but to be fair he did actually say that himself.
I don't agree with what Brad said, for what its' worth - now is not the time to say that. Like the no. of casulaties makes it somehow "better"?

What nonsense.
I was shocked as well, when I first heard it I thought of my dad who may be in London (not sure).

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 07 Jul 2005, 18:02

Mark you've completely misunderstood what I was saying. I was merely stating facts nothing more.

The fact is we did get off lightly. Does that make it any better than the Madrid bombings of course not but then again I "never" said it did.

desensatised to murder it amazes me.

We all have generally speaking in the Western world to a smaller or greater degree. You can thank the media and Hollywood for that. There are hundreds of films (most of the work by one John Woo for example) that depict violence in a cool fashion.

Like tough luck for getting caught up in someone else's shit.

When did I even remotely say that?

grim_tales wrote:I don't agree with what Brad said, for what its' worth - now is not the time to say that. Like the no. of casulaties makes it somehow "better"?

Again when did I even remotely say that?

p.s - I don't even get Yi's so called joke.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 07 Jul 2005, 18:07

Sorry Brad.
You were stating facts yes, I'm sorry if I took them the wrong way - its just to compare attacks seems inappropriate IMO

Yi's gag alludes to the French being pissed at us winning the Olympics. Not appropriate in this instance.

brassmonkey001 · Post by **brassmonkey001** » 07 Jul 2005, 18:55

At work today when we first heard, a colleague said "P'raps it's the French". When told another colleague about it his first reaction was "P'raps it's the French".
It's a tragedy for sure, but I think it's in our nature to joke about these things as a way of dealing with them. When the first reports were coming in about the WTC I said something along the lines of 'One plane crashing into the building is bad, but two is just being bloody careless'. Of course the true extent of the tragedy didn't unfold until later when I felt suitably ashamed.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 07 Jul 2005, 19:05

Brass has a point, when Britain was under attack in WWII, one of the ways they dealt with it was taking the piss out of the Nazis and making fun of them.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 07 Jul 2005, 21:18

Aren't you contradicting yourself?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 07 Jul 2005, 21:49

bradavon wrote:Mark you've completely misunderstood what I was saying. I was merely stating facts nothing more. The fact is we did get off lightly. Does that make it any better than the Madrid bombings of course not but then again I "never" said it did.

No, I understood what you meant as you've reiterated it above. I cannot accept that the UK got off lightly when ANY ONE PERSON has died. And even though I know what you mean it's an extrodinarily callous thing to say on the very day it occured. Being objective isn't always the most suitable course of action when dealing with a human tragedy. If we found out that a forum member had been taken in one of todays' blasts how lightly would they have got off? Yes, there were less casualties than Madrid, but does that make it any better? One dead or a hundred is still a tragedy and in no way do I feel the need to compare numbers.

We all have generally speaking in the Western world to a smaller or greater degree. You can thank the media and Hollywood for that. There are hundreds of films (most of the work by one John Woo for example) that depict violence in a cool fashion.

Brad if you think a John Woo film compares to real life suffering and carnage then seriously mate... get out more. I've seen more gory pieces of shit than you can shake a stick at yet in no way do I feel numb or indifferent to human slaughter. Maybe I'm just more sensative than most of you?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 07 Jul 2005, 21:55

It's a tragedy for sure, but I think it's in our nature to joke about these things as a way of dealing with them. When the first reports were coming in about the WTC I said something along the lines of 'One plane crashing into the building is bad, but two is just being bloody careless'. Of course the true extent of the tragedy didn't unfold until later when I felt suitably ashamed.

Then that makes me either UN-British or UN-human - take your pick. As I did not for one second feel low enough to make a wisecrack at the expense of the dead, dying or injured in this case. That's how insensative morons deal with these events. Any bloody fool can make a joke... but it takes a wise person to reflect thoughtfully and with sympathy. Honestly when I saw this thread I assumed that the posts would be full of regret and anger. Instead I've found apathy and cool and frankly it's not something I understand and have no idea which mentality it comes from. Bring on the Holocaust gags please... I need a good laugh.

romerojpg · Post by **romerojpg** » 07 Jul 2005, 22:52

4 explosions acctually.

and hey its insane to think these people will get away with it anyway as they will, even if they are caught they wont get wrong! look at Sadam! still alive

If 1 person was even injured its a joke and evil! , but over 800 injured and maybe well over 40 killed is just sick, I hope the freaks that did it get caught and punished under the radar and are tortured for all info and killed slowly, its the only way.

I await to see who did it, instead of all the guessing thats going on in the news.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 07 Jul 2005, 23:38

I'm confused it was 7 this morning and now it's 4?

The thing is they may get the scapegoats but not the ring leaders for sure!

Was Sadam a terrorist? I'm not sure.

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 07 Jul 2005, 23:50

Just caught a round up at the end of the day. Indeed this is terrible news, the survivors are devastated. Of course my thoughts go out to them and the relatives of those who died.

It seems that one Islamic website has claimed to be responsible for the bombings. However many think that it is a bogus statement, just a bunch of sick individuals trying to make light of the deaths of innocent people. One person said that the website is remarkably unprofessional and had plenty of spelling/grammatical errors or something?

Also there has been speculation that remote devices have been found. Not sure how true this is, but nobody knows if they were suicide bombers.

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 07 Jul 2005, 23:51

bradavon wrote:I'm confused it was 7 this morning and now it's 4?

The thing is they may get the scapegoats but not the ring leaders for sure!

Was Sadam a terrorist? I'm not sure.

Yeah some of the explosions were heard from different places, so people thought it was two separate explosions when it was just the one. The bombs appear to have been placed inside the trains.

One train explosion also affected two other trains next to it, thust increasing the death/injury toll.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 08 Jul 2005, 00:48

Thanks for explaining Bisc.

So it's 4 bombs including the bus?

BiscLimpkit · Post by **BiscLimpkit** » 08 Jul 2005, 09:30

Yes that's correct.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 08 Jul 2005, 09:30

bradavon wrote:Aren't you contradicting yourself?

I don't think so, in this case it sounded as if Yi was making a gag about human suffering which is not on. Whereas in WWII people wouldn't joke about the people (allies) who died at all, but the people who were DOING it (nazis), to try and keep spirits up.

Was it OK to make Saddam gags during the 2nd Gulf War or would they be off-limits as well?

Mark to say you see no regret in this thread is a bit harsh, no?

I'm pleased my relatives (who live in London) were okay,

and my dad doesn't work in London anymore (he used to, but now works in Manchester) so he's OK. I wasn't quite sure of this at first so the news scared the crap out of me yesterday

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 08 Jul 2005, 09:36

Bisc, I heard this morning it might not have been Al-Qaeda but some guys in the UK who were "fans of Osama Bin Laden"...

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