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The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 17:00
by saltysam
Re: The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 17:34
by romerojpg
Mentally different colour scheme and contrast look! crikey!
Re: The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 17:39
by RickyTheDragonSteamboat
The HKL colors are pretty good but DD's contrast is better in my opinion.
Re: The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 18:50
by bradavon
The blu-ray looks better, better colours and all round better but not enough to upgrade. I've always thought HKL did a good job with this one. A respectable picture, great subs and a respectable 5.1 remix (i.e - basically stereo, as all HK 5.1 remixes should be). Good selection of extras too.
Re: The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 19:08
by saltysam
The blu-ray is an easy winner,colours are definitely better.look at caps 5 & 6 especially!!
Re: The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 19:19
by DangerousLeeHandsome
From the looks of it, its an easy choice. But should I skip this release just because its 1080i?
Re: The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 19:24
by saltysam
DangerousLeeHandsome wrote:From the looks of it, its an easy choice. But should I skip this release just because its 1080i?
a 1080i release is needless in this day and age but at the end of the day if someone showed you 2 blu-rays and said one was 1080i and the other 1080p could you honestly tell the difference?
Re: The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 19:27
by DangerousLeeHandsome
Good point.
Re: The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 20:42
by chenlung
In addition to the bad HD PAL-conversion, there does look to be edge enhancement - I don't know if that was DD or the master from Atlas or E-M-S.
It otherwise looks fine as an image. However, it's still another add to the versions list, rather than it being the definitive one.
Re: The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 21:18
by Markgway
How are the opening credits on the BD? There was some suggestion that DD had made changes. Is it exactly the same version as the HKL?
Re: The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 21:29
by Markgway
I have to say that apart from the 1080i aspect the transfer looks very good.
It improves on the HKL which itself was previously the best available version (at least with English subs).
Just a shame they couldn't have found a 1080p 24fps master to work from.
I'll get it when it's cheap enough or perhaps wait for the eventual CineAsia release.
Re: The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 21:44
by saltysam
Markgway wrote:How are the opening credits on the BD? There was some suggestion that DD had made changes. Is it exactly the same version as the HKL?
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i278/ ... 10jpeg.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i278/ ... 12jpeg.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i278/ ... r9jpeg.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i278/ ... jpeg11.jpg
it's currently £12.99 on playusa,not bad for a pre-order from the States.
Re: The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 22:30
by bradavon
Markgway wrote:It improves on the HKL which itself was previously the best available version (at least with English subs).
Subtitles aside, what about the IVL Fortune Star? That has Mono (I think) and may look better. I cannot remember. It also has DTS/DD5.1 but I imagine they're pretty bad.
Re: The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 22:40
by chenlung
bradavon wrote:Markgway wrote:It improves on the HKL which itself was previously the best available version (at least with English subs).
Subtitles aside, what about the IVL Fortune Star? That has Mono (I think) and may look better. I cannot remember. It also has DTS/DD5.1 but I imagine they're pretty bad.
Caps-A-Holic (
http://caps-a-holic.com/vergleich.php?vergleichID=44) has a comparison of all other editions.
Fortune Star's master didn't look very good according to a comparison posted a while back.
Re: The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 22:45
by bradavon
Thanks Chenlung but the only DVDs I'd consider are the HKL or IVL. No other offer English subs and are anamorphic. Annoyingly I cannot find a comparison of the two. I don't remember it being amazing either but I'd rather see a comparison.
Markgway wrote:How are the opening credits on the BD? There was some suggestion that DD had made changes. Is it exactly the same version as the HKL?
You can see it's different here. HKL vs. New BD:
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare2/killer4.htm
Re: The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 23:39
by chenlung
bradavon wrote:Thanks Chenlung but the only DVDs I'd consider are the HKL or IVL. No other offer English subs and are anamorphic. Annoyingly I cannot find a comparison of the two. I don't remember it being amazing either but I'd rather see a comparison.
It maybe a bit of a hard one:
HKL: Re-translated subtitles, extras.
IVL: Mono.
Personally, I'd go for HKL.
Thanks.
I'm not quite sure what DD meant by changes. It seems to look the same as the E-M-S DVD - international print.
Re: The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 24 Mar 2010, 09:24
by saltysam
Re: The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 24 Mar 2010, 16:06
by DangerousLeeHandsome
Is the "processing needed" goof still present?
Re: The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 24 Mar 2010, 16:14
by grim_tales
What's that?
Re: The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 24 Mar 2010, 16:50
by RickyTheDragonSteamboat
32 minutes into the movie (on the R2 e-m-s / Nordic dvd's), there's a missing frame that's replaced with a "processing needed" message that appears for a half a second or so.
About the IVL, I have it and...........don't waste your money. It's terrible. The print is damaged in many places, black levels are non-existent, the colors are faded and the contrasts is extremely high. But the biggest disappointment is the sound. Absolutely horrid 5.1 remixes and a shitty muffled unrestored mono that is barely listenable. This is, IMO, the worse dvd of The Killer to date.
Re: The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 24 Mar 2010, 17:01
by saltysam
just played it from 31:52 to 33:00 and no "processing needed" message showed.what specific scene was it.?
Re: The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 24 Mar 2010, 17:07
by bradavon
RickyTheDragonSteamboat wrote:About the IVL, I have it and...........don't waste your money. It's terrible. The print is damaged in many places, black levels are non-existent, the colors are faded and the contrasts is extremely high. But the biggest disappointment is the sound. Absolutely horrid 5.1 remixes and a shitty muffled unrestored mono that is barely listenable. This is, IMO, the worse dvd of The Killer to date.
Thanks. It sounds pretty awful. Do you have the HKL to compare? Unless I'm mistaken the only other Anamorphic and English subtitled DVD.
Re: The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 24 Mar 2010, 17:08
by RickyTheDragonSteamboat
saltysam wrote:just played it from 31:52 to 33:00 and no "processing needed" message showed.what specific scene was it.?
I believe it was the beach shoot-out. I could be wrong. But it's probably been fixed.
bradavon wrote:Thanks. It sounds pretty awful. Do you have the HKL to compare? Unless I'm mistaken the only other Anamorphic and English subtitled DVD.
My only gripe about the HKL is that it has the least picture of all the anamorphic versions. Other than that it's a pretty kick-ass dvd. Heads and shoulders above the IVL. The subs on the HKL are way better too. The IVL has the old Fox Lorber translation which weren't terrible but could've been better.
Re: The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 24 Mar 2010, 17:30
by bradavon
RickyTheDragonSteamboat wrote:My only gripe about the HKL is that it has the least picture of all the anamorphic versions. Other than that it's a pretty kick-ass dvd. Heads and shoulders above the IVL. The subs on the HKL are way better too. The IVL has the old Fox Lorber translation which weren't terrible but could've been better.
Thanks. That sums it up perfectly for me.
Re: The Killer HKL R2 DVD Vs. DD Blu-Ray
Posted: 24 Mar 2010, 19:20
by Markgway
Agghhh!!! They used the ugly English credits!
