Licence to Kill: R1 SE vs. R1 UE

captainjoe · Post by **captainjoe** » 20 Nov 2006, 05:39

Licence to Kill

Top: R1 SE
Bottom: R1 UE

Now that's what I'm talking about. The Ultimate Edition, in my opinion, is absolutely pristine. Absolutely no edge
enhancement, bad compression artefacts, dirt and the framing has been corrected. Captures 1, 3, 5 and 9 are
picture perfect when compared to the original special edition. My only concern is the colour correction on the
water in capture 7. Aside from that everything is absolutely perfect.

Recommended:
UE

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 20 Nov 2006, 13:25

Looks about the same as the R2 UE.

Definite improvement over the SE.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 20 Nov 2006, 18:57

I presume Stereo is the original soundtrack and it's included?

Funnily enough I've just been thinking I need to give this another go, having only faint memories of the two Dalton's. This is the best of the two right?

IronMonkey · Post by **IronMonkey** » 20 Nov 2006, 19:03

I'd say they're both great Bond films, but The Living Daylights just slightly edges over this for me. Both Dalton Bond films are in the same sort of darker style as that of Casino Royale.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 20 Nov 2006, 19:06

Stereo is the original audio and according to the packaging it's on the R1.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 20 Nov 2006, 21:16

IronMonkey wrote:I'd say they're both great Bond films, but The Living Daylights just slightly edges over this for me. Both Dalton Bond films are in the same sort of darker style as that of Casino Royale.

Thanks. Isn't the consensus LTK is better? It's more violent right?

I'm asking as I need to pick one to try first. I don't remember either being all that good but it was so long my memory is hazy to the point it's not accurate.

captainjoe · Post by **captainjoe** » 20 Nov 2006, 23:16

I never really understood the hatred against LTK. I mean at the time it was trying to do what Casino Royale is doing, re-inventing the Bond franchise by making it more realistic. I guess the world wasn't ready for that back then, now we're ready.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 20 Nov 2006, 23:34

Die Another Day has a lot to answer for too.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 21 Nov 2006, 01:50

captainjoe wrote:I never really understood the hatred against LTK. I mean at the time it was trying to do what Casino Royale is doing, re-inventing the Bond franchise by making it more realistic. I guess the world wasn't ready for that back then, now we're ready.

I'd agree with that.

I think if LTK had followed a silly movie like Moonraker instead of a really good one like The Living Daylights the response might have been better and the "15" cert hurt the box office here. Instead everyone just concentrated on how violent it was, but not it's major plus points. Brad, check out both Dalton films again, and if you still hate them fair enough, but you may be pleasently surprised...

chenlung · Post by **chenlung** » 21 Nov 2006, 02:49

Noise reduction... :x

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 22 Nov 2006, 20:19

Markgway wrote:Brad, check out both Dalton films again, and if you still hate them fair enough, but you may be pleasently surprised...

I definitely plan to but will only check out LTK first and if I don't like that won't bother with the other.

Dark[Devil] · Post by **Dark[Devil]** » 22 Nov 2006, 20:52

bradavon wrote:
Markgway wrote:Brad, check out both Dalton films again, and if you still hate them fair enough, but you may be pleasently surprised...
I definitely plan to but will only check out LTK first and if I don't like that won't bother with the other.

I'd actually say go with TLD first, it's more traditional, I prefer LTK myself (infact I really hate TLD for some reason) but I think most fans enjoy TLD more.

The point i'm trying to make is, just because you don't like one, doesn't mean you shouldn't watch the other.

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 23 Nov 2006, 02:13

DD's right....

TLD is more like Bond movie than LTK.

LTK is more like a Lethal Weapon-era revenge thriller

Both are class, though...

IronMonkey · Post by **IronMonkey** » 23 Nov 2006, 12:55

For me, The Living Daylights is now the 2nd best Bond film. I went to see Casino Royale again last night & it is now my favourite Bond film...

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 23 Nov 2006, 18:41

Not that I care but when is water blue? The green in the original capture above looks better.

Markgway wrote:TLD is more like Bond movie than LTK.

LTK is more like a Lethal Weapon-era revenge thriller

I'm not sure what to make of that.

Both have the Bond trademarks though, right?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 23 Nov 2006, 18:59

Lol, how could I be any clearer?

LTK is Bondish at times, but more like an Hollywood action blockbuster.

You'll know what I mean when you see it.

gasteropod · Post by **gasteropod** » 23 Nov 2006, 19:42

bradavon wrote:Not that I care but when is water blue?

When it reflects the sky... 8)

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 23 Nov 2006, 19:57

It looks manipulated to me.

Markgway wrote:Lol, how could I be any clearer?

By giving more than a 2-3 sentence answer of course

Markgway wrote:LTK is Bondish at times, but more like an Hollywood action blockbuster.

That sounds worrying. I'm hoping tonight.

Both have the Bond trademarks though, right?

Dark[Devil] · Post by **Dark[Devil]** » 23 Nov 2006, 20:23

bradavon wrote:That sounds worrying. I'm hoping tonight.

Both have the Bond trademarks though, right?

Just start with TLD. You'll be bound to like that. It has more of a bond feel, and trademarks I suppose. If you watch LTK first, then you might not like it, then you might think Dalton sucks, and you might never watch TLD (Which as I said, is a more traditional Bond movie)

Just go spend 4 hours and watch both movies!

Shaken, Not Stirred · Post by **Shaken, Not Stirred** » 25 Nov 2006, 22:53

bradavon wrote:It looks manipulated to me.

Markgway wrote:Lol, how could I be any clearer?
By giving more than a 2-3 sentence answer of course

Markgway wrote:LTK is Bondish at times, but more like an Hollywood action blockbuster.
That sounds worrying. I'm hoping tonight.

Both have the Bond trademarks though, right?

I'm sure you'll like both Mark. I like Licence To Kill alot more than The Living Daylights, but everyone has a different opinion.

grim_tales · Post by **grim_tales** » 25 Nov 2006, 23:15

Have you seen Casino Royale yet, SNS?

Markgway · Post by **Markgway** » 26 Nov 2006, 02:30

I'll probably do an R1 UE vs R2 UE comp for LTK -- as I don't think one has been done yet. We know both UEs are better than the unpleasent SE, but how do they fare against each other. You'll have to wait until the set arrives though.

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 26 Nov 2006, 14:40

Please do.

I watched LTK: SE last night and it definitely look like the UE is cropped. Sure I could see the framing is better on the UE but cropped is still cropped, no?

Killer Meteor · Post by **Killer Meteor** » 26 Nov 2006, 15:33

Well, cropping can be matting. I think that was the case with one of the Great Escape DVDs where the ratio was a lot wider than intended, even for a scope film. And with LTK, the UE is the only way to get the uncut version

bradavon · Post by **bradavon** » 26 Nov 2006, 17:32

True I wasn't saying people should get it only that it's cropped but then uncropped it has mucky marks on the sides.

I've gone for the UE myself, as it looks much better.